Word of Wisdom - the wheat problem....

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Word of Wisdom - the wheat problem....

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14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.


However....

2. Whole Wheat
Bread
It is true that whole wheat is healthier than refined wheat.

But this does NOT mean that whole wheat is healthy.

It’s kind of like saying that because filtered cigarettes are healthier than unfiltered cigarettes, everyone should be smoking filtered cigarettes. It’s flawed logic.

There are plenty of good reasons to avoid wheat… both the refined and the whole variety.

For example, wheat is the main source of gluten in the diet and a large part of the population may be gluten sensitive (4, 5, 6).

The immune system of susceptible individuals attacks the gluten proteins in the digestive tract. This can cause damage to the lining of the digestive tract, pain, bloating, tiredness, stool inconsistency and other nasty symptoms (7, 8, 9).

One study shows that wheat fiber can make you Vitamin D deficient, making you burn through your stores of this important vitamin much faster (10).

Another study shows that whole wheat raises small, dense LDL (the truly “bad” cholesterol) by a whopping 60% (11).

Bottom Line: Whole wheat is rich in gluten and can cause digestive problems and various symptoms. It may also cause Vitamin D deficiency and elevated small, dense LDL cholesterol.

http://authoritynutrition.com/11-health ... -kill-you/
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Don't worry. The research is wrong, and we just need another Dwight Lundell to set things straight.
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Is it possible to make bread from finely ground bacon? It is a gluten free vegetable in season year round.
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SteelHead wrote:Is it possible to make bread from finely ground bacon? It is a gluten free vegetable in season year round.


Stop telling porkies....

*note, this joke will seem a whole lot funnier if you familiarise yourself with 'Cockney Rhyming Slang' prior to reading it.
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Bazooka wrote:
SteelHead wrote:Is it possible to make bread from finely ground bacon? It is a gluten free vegetable in season year round.


Stop telling porkies....

*note, this joke will seem a whole lot funnier if you familiarise yourself with 'Cockney Rhyming Slang' prior to reading it.

I don't understand a dickey bird you just said!
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I've read that maybe 6% of the population is sensitive to gluten. That means the rest of us 94% aren't. Going "gluten free" is today's health fad, but for those not sensitive to it, that's pretty much worthless. Gluten free stuff isn't any better for us than glutenfull stuff is, for those not sensitive to it.

Gluten is a protein, and proteins are quite useful in the diet. As much as I dislike Skepchick for other reasons, here is an interview she did about gluten with a nutrition doctor.

Skepchick's interview wrote:Gluten sounds like a scary thing made from glue but really gluten is just a protein composite found in food processed from wheat. Is it found in other foods?

Gluten is a great protein- found commonly in wheat, rye, barley – and is the protein that makes wheat a great bread or dough product. The reason pizza dough can be tossed and stretched is gluten – if you ever try to do that with ground corn it would fall apart. The reason you can roll out dough is the gluten provides an elasticity.

Is there anything that sets apart gluten from other forms of proteins? What makes it special?

The special part of gluten is what it does for baking, for breads, and for people who are vegetarians. For vegetarians gluten is an important source of protein. It is deficient in the amino acid lysine (an essential amino acid that is needed) – but for vegetarians, gluten becomes an important source of non-animal protein.

What is celiac disease?

Like all proteins, one can have an allergy to them. Celiac disease is an allergy that affects the immune cells in the gut. There are many immune cells in the body — so some people develop allergies on their skin, some develop them to where they get a swollen tongue, or closed off airway. Celiac disease is an allergy to gluten that causes a problem in the small intestine. Essentially destroying the absorptive surface of the gut.
Celiac disease is more common in Northern Europeans (fair skin, fair haired).

How is one tested for celiac disease? Is there an objective test that one can take?

There are several blood tests that one can do which are pretty good at determining if you have celiac disease. But they do miss some. The blood tests are far from 100 per cent. The most objective test is to have someone remove all gluten from their diet for several weeks. This is a difficult thing to do as gluten is used in many agents like soy sauce, thickener in soups — so it takes a lot of work. Then introduce a bit of gluten to see if the symptoms happen– this is not subtle. If someone has celiac disease, and becomes gluten free it takes them a few weeks before their gut returns to normal. The introduction of a single Wheat Thin cracker will cause severe cramping, bloating, and diarrhea.

Can one suddenly acquire celiac disease or catch it? Is it passed along genetically?

People can acquire celiac disease suddenly- much like one can acquire any allergy. We discovered a high incidence in patients who had undergone gastric bypass surgery — we assumed that we had bypassed the traditional area for gluten breakdown in the small bowel, and the protein being seen further down began a process of an acquired celiac disease.
The predisposition for celiac disease is genetic- but is expressed at variable rates– meaning, some people will have the tendency for it, but they don’t develop it- or develop it later in life.

Is gluten safe to be eaten by a normal healthy person?

Quite safe– and delicious.

Is it good to cut gluten out of your diet just to be safe even if you have not been diagnosed with celiac disease?

There is no reason to remove gluten from your diet unless you have celiac disease. Going gluten free is difficult. Until recently there was no real flour substitute that made great foods. Cutting gluten out is popular among people who sell “gluten free” products– but there is no evidence that removing gluten from a diet will be better for anyone.

Think of gluten allergies as you would a peanut allergy. If you are not allergic to peanuts, there is no reason to avoid them. If you are allergic to peanuts, there is every reason in the world to avoid them.

Can a diet rich in wheat barley and other grains be beneficial?

A diet rich in grains provides a lot of nutrients – from micronutrients (vitamins, minerals) to the macronutrients – complex carbohydrates. Plus barley is where beer comes from, and that is pretty beneficial to some.

If you think you have a gluten sensitivity what should you do to actually find out?

First- the real tests for gluten should be performed by a licensed physician (DO or MD) — not a chiropractor, or naturopath. Those tests are called anti-endomysial antibody and anti-gliadin antibodies. They are a good indicator as any. They can be fooled if someone is on a gluten free diet.

Celiac disease is real, and an important disease among people. They are typically thin, with problems with diarrhea, abdominal pain and cramping, and have a history of the problem. These people need to know that they have an increased risk of small bowel cancers, and lymphoma – and need to have screening for them.

There is no advantage to going gluten free for people who do not have celiac disease. Gluten is simply a protein- and there is not a good way to bake bread, make good pizza or cookies without it. While one could argue that those highly processed foods are not good for a person- it isn’t because of gluten – it is the quantity of that food. Until recently, there was not a great gluten free flour.

Gluten has become the “hypoglycemia” of this decade. A fad. For those who have celiac disease, gluten free provides the only way to heal themselves. If you have a family history of celiac disease, and are unable to gain weight – then please see a real physician and get tested.
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Three books that show the Word of Wisdom=Epic Fail. I will put my trust in modern science and personal observation of the health consequences (positive) I have enjoyed since ditching grains and cutting way, way back on sugar. In the WoW's defense, the wheat we are consuming today is very different from the wheat coming from family farms in the 1830s. If only the Mormon church had someone in a position of authority who could receive messages from a deity to update information when the old advice becomes obsolete.

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Sethbag wrote:I've read that maybe 6% of the population is sensitive to gluten. That means the rest of us 94% aren't. Going "gluten free" is today's health fad, but for those not sensitive to it, that's pretty much worthless. Gluten free stuff isn't any better for us than glutenfull stuff is, for those not sensitive to it.


It may be much higher than 6% of the population. Multiple studies have been conducted with varying results. While it is true that gluten alone is probably relatively harmless for those who are not celiac or gluten-sensitive, it is also true that many of the foods that contain gluten and that are consumed in large quantities as a staple of the standard American diet, are very likely a leading cause of the obesity epidemic and increased risk factors for heart disease, autoimmune disorders, diabetes, Alzheimers, and various cancers.

Here is some interesting information about the prevalence of gluten sensitivity:
How Common Is Gluten Sensitivity?

Also, this explains that gluten is not the only ingredient in grains that may be problematic:
Why Grains Are Unhealthy
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I agree with cutting back on the carbs (not Atkins style, just cutting back), and people who eat nothing but breads and grains will have way, way too many carbs on average, and that will have weight consequences.

What I'm saying is that wheat as part of an overall healthy diet is perfectly fine. Going on some kind of anti-wheat crusade is, imho, fecking nuts.

For people who sit at a desk all day and don't burn that many calories, eating a lot of carbs may well result in weight gain. For people doing manual labor, burning lots of calories, this is exactly what they need. Tailor the diet to the requirements, not artificial dogmas du jour.
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Sethbag wrote:What I'm saying is that wheat as part of an overall healthy diet is perfectly fine.

I understand what you are saying, and it does reflect the conventional wisdom. Many doctors and nutrition consultants agree with you. A growing number do not. And a growing body of evidence suggests to me that wheat is not as harmless, and certainly not as healthy, as we have all been told over the past half century.
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