Word of Wisdom - the wheat problem....

[_Bazooka]

Do you remember the Church going through a phrase of having members stock pile sacks of wheat?

I recall as a youth playing on a mountain at the back of the cultural hall stage made up of hundreds of sacks of wheat waiting for the members to buy it. Members (including my family) had absolutely no clue what to do with it, no mechanism for turning it into something to eat, no capacity to store such a volume, and so there it sat at the back of the stage until the rats came in and it had to be thrown away.

Separately, I am amused at those people who are claiming the wheat in the Word of Wisdom isn't the same thing as wheat today whilst maintaining a belief that the Word of Wisdom was given to us for our day, citing we didn't know in the 19th century the problems that come with alcohol abuse. Well, is D&C 89 divine guidance for our day or is outdated health advice with incorrect references that doesn't mean today what it meant in the 19th century?

[_Gunnar]

Seriously? The latest advice is 8-10 glasses of water/day. Some folks do need to be told "but not all at once." It's also advised to ease into an increase in water drinking.

I think that the only problem with the 8-10 glasses of water per day standard is that too many people didn't understand that it included the water present in the food we eat. Even the driest food we eat has some water in it, and most of it has quite a bit of water. Depending on what we happen to eat on any particular day, it is quite possible to sometimes get the full recommended equivalent of 8-10 glasses of water without drinking any water separately in a glass or cup. If we make it a point to drink 8-10 glasses of water every day, regardless of the water content of the solid food we eat, we are probably getting more water than we really need for good health. This will probably not do us any harm, normally, but it is a waste of water. As was already pointed out, if we don't feel thirsty, we are probably getting enough water.

[_krose]

Why does "hot" have to be about temperature? Maybe it's referencing Tabasco sauce...

Well, if you could demonstrate that there was a 'medical' belief floating around in Joseph's day about peppery drinks upsetting the balance of humours in the body (as there was regarding hot beverages), that interpretation might have some validity.

[_seven7up]

Nutritionists can't agree on anything. Do you remember back when the new fad and consensus was "8 full glasses of water" per day? Later, they realized that most people were literally flushing their vitamins and nutrients down the drain. Later the geniuses decided that we should "drink water when you are thirsty."

I can't help but by infer that by calling nutritionists "geniuses" you really mean they are idiots.

No. I was pointing out that their advice to "drink when you are thirsty" seemed a little obvious.

True, they are not all in agreement. Also true, nutritional science is still developing, and rapidly. But if you take all that to mean that your best source of nutritional advice is the WoW, well, you will have only yourself to thank in the end.

Avoiding strong drinks and avoiding tobacco has worked out pretty well so far. Tell me, do those professional nutritionists recommend binge drinking or a steady diet of tequila or whiskey or cigars and cigarrettes?

Call me crazy, but grains and fruits are probably a good source of food. There is also a point to be made about meat in excess (especially red meat).

I agree with some other posters here that if you are tying to argue on this forum that "whole wheat" is the problem with the American diet, then you are just grasping for straws and excuses just to try and criticize the LDS religion. Processed gluten, which has been over-used in food products, is extracted from the wheat and used in processed foods for bulk.

And no one is arguing that gluten alone is the problem with overconsumption of wheat products.

Does the word of wisdom say that we should "overconsume" wheat products?

No, of course it does not. It doesn't give any guidelines, only a big green light, saying God intends wheat for man.

Saying that it is "intended for man" equals a "big green light"? And you take that and say that it should be interpreted to mean that we should eat more than we need? I'm sorry if you feel the need to interpret it that way.

God intends us to breathe, not hyperventilate.

Why should any member give any thought to whether he is over consuming?

How about some common sense? ... Like drink water when you are thirsty.

-7up

[_seven7up]

Do you remember the Church going through a phrase of having members stock pile sacks of wheat?

The ones I see are in large plastic containers. The benefit is that it stays good for decades when packed that way.

-7up

[_sock puppet]

God intends us to breathe, not hyperventilate.

CFR.

[_sock puppet]

How about some common sense? ... Like drink water when you are thirsty.

You need revelation from god for common sense?

[_ludwigm]

Do you remember the Church going through a phrase of having members stock pile sacks of wheat?

The ones I see are in large plastic containers. The benefit is that it stays good for decades when packed that way.

-7up

Sacks, in 52 square meter panel flats. Without garage, attic and cellar.

1995 Dresden, ex-GDR area - FYI The German Democratic Republic (GDR; German: Deutsche Demokratische Republik [ˈdɔʏtʃə demoˈkʀaːtɪʃə ʀepuˈbliːk] or DDR), generally known in English as East Germany, was a state within the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War period - during Temple attendance in Freiberg, Germany.
(No, not MY temple attendance. My wife and her womanfriends, I am ONLY their chauffeur in the last two decades.)

[_Sethbag]

I find it intriguing that critics of the church are so hell bent on "the church" being bad or wrong. You guys argue against my thoughts on the WOW more passionately that active LDS members do! I've found members in the church to mostly be receptive of my thoughts on the WOW. They go home and ponder them and come back thanking me later for giving them a new perspective. And this goes back to a comment I made on another thread, that most critics [of the church] are not interested in truth but have ulterior motives. Even if you disagree with the truth of the church, if you were "truth seekers" I would expect you to applaud my take on the WOW. Hey, maybe those Mormons aren't so bad, maybe they're not the lemmings we think they are. Maybe there is hope for them yet. Instead you want to excommunicate me from a church you say you don't even believe in, lol.

I agree with this.

I don't. The reason we scorn the Aqua Hound on this is that he tries to portray the Mormon church's attitude towards the Word of Wisdom in ways that are simply not what the rest of us know from personal experience that it is. He is one who kicks against the pricks. He tries to paint a picture of Mormonism that just doesn't correspond with the reality that the overwhelming majority of active LDS experience.

Look, I violate the Word of Wisdom because I don't accept it as a binding rule over my life, and I prefer to make my choices for reasons that make sense to me, not some hypothetical mammal demigod near the planet Kolob, as transmitted to a known womanizer, cigar-smoking, whisky-drinking charlatan back in the 1800s. Water Dog violates the Word of Wisdom, while claiming to believe in it, and then tries to snow-job those of us who grew up Mormon and lived the lifestyle for decades before our unbelief.

Seriously, I was 36 years old when I lost my faith in Mormonism, and Water Dog wants to tell me it's A-OK for a Mormon to receive a temple recommend while drinking alcoholic beverages, merely by staring down the bishop and SP and lying about it? That's BS, and some of us will call him on it.

[_seven7up]

Water Dog wants to tell me it's A-OK for a Mormon to receive a temple recommend while drinking alcoholic beverages, merely by staring down the bishop and SP and lying about it? That's b***s***, and some of us will call him on it.

I agree with this.

If you do not agree with how the modern Church does not allow the consumption of alcoholic beverages, and the current teaching of the church is against it, then you should not pretend to be a faithful adherent to the modern Church.

The original word of Wisdom was the the will of the Lord for people in the mid 1800s, which may not be the same for us now. (Just like we no longer adhere to the dietary laws in the law of Moses)

If the Lord wills it that the guidelines be changed for a changing society, it will not be done through some random member, it will be done through the leadership. As the times have changed since the mid 1800's, this has occurred in the history of the church (guidelines have changed).

Although, can WaterDog honestly say that allowing the consumption of alcoholic beverages would be a positive change for the church?

-7up