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Suppose that eight were brought forth to Zion and saved by water, even as it were in the days of Noah, would you then be a Great High Priest?

Gadianton wrote:Suppose that eight were brought forth to Zion and saved by water, even as it were in the days of Noah, would you then be a Great High Priest?

I would think it great if half as many were truly visited of God's power and born of God with the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost a Zion was duly brought forth by faith obeying the commandment of the Lord. Any man who could facilitate a Zion out of the thin air of absolute hypocrisy and militant apostasy worthy of a place on The Apocalrock and a great high priest.

Suppose that four gathered to Zion, having truly been visited of God's power and born of God with the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, would you then be a Great High Priest?

Gadianton wrote:Suppose that four gathered to Zion, having truly been visited of God's power and born of God with the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, would you then be a Great High Priest?

Yea, were only two are gathered in his name, (meaning both actually have the name of Jesus Christ put upon them by the gift and power of God) there shall He be also among them....such is the stuff of Zion.

We all know that 'great' is a relative term.

Enoch was great. The Lord sent him out at the age of ten years old, having a weakness of speech and the people mocked him and would make him a gazing stock of scorn, yet he built up the greatest Zion of all time and space, for wither they went, no man can say.

Melchizedek was great. After the flood, supposing this is Noah's son, Shem, without angels ministering to him he preserved the gospel through the flood and established a righteous city that supposedly was also taken.

These two were great high priests because they brought forth by faith alone that which is righteous. No ministering angels, no golden books, no visitations of the Savior before the fact.

So the stage is again set for a great high priest to rise up and build an holy city unto the Most High God. The time has past since angels did minister and a great restoration was basically forced upon mankind unto an unworthy generation that failed at every turn to magnify the gift of God. And generations since have beggared if not outright spurned all that was of value put back in its purity into the hands of mankind.

If one such as I or any other managed to build up a Zion by obedience alone it would count for a creation of God by the word of his power alone. Such is the stuff that can endure long and obtain unlimited power even to the binding of Satan and overcoming the world for a thousand years. Such would truly be great in the eyes of God and in the hearts of all men of understanding.

Sure, I'm fine with "great" being a relative term.

It seems like the conclusion is, if four or even one were to gather to Zion, then that person would pay tithing to you, correct?

Gadianton wrote:Sure, I'm fine with "great" being a relative term.

It seems like the conclusion is, if four or even one were to gather to Zion, then that person would pay tithing to you, correct?

Tithing is what people on the outside would pay if they chose to assist Zion.
The call in D&C 24 was to invite all the world to come and help build up Zion and sit comfortably and contemplate the beauty of Zion. And earstwhile they might work out the controversy of Zion in their own hearts to see if they can bring forth an acceptable sacrifice. Those IN Zion have given all.

When folks in the Book of Mormon failed to get the gospel right, the Lord commanded that they be NOT cast out, but commanded that they not be administered the sacrament, nor any higher ordinances I assume, lest they come under the condemnation of the Father, (3 Nephi 18) as they are still of the world. They are to be ministered to in the hope that they will turn unto the Lord with full purpose of heart that he may heal them. Their names were NOT taken as church members. (Moroni 6)

The Mormons will only accept official tithes of church members as if it were a requirement for full fellowship. As if it warranted them saints by such an act. But they are not Zion. Therefore they cannot be true. If you are not ONE you are not Christ's. Apparently they are in their mundane fantasy. Not in any spiritual or true sense can anything less than Zion be THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH.

I doubt the LDS refuse gifts and probably solicit that people sign over their wealth to the LDS Church in their wills and estates. Such is the greed for gain among the Gentiles. I have plodded along in a wretched poverty for over forty years yet brought forth bountifully great fruits of spiritual worth. Zion needs faith more than money.

If my horse looks the best to provide a safe haven in the darkness of the overshadowing Last Days, then by all means help me. No amount of cash can buy a ticket into Zion. At the same time the names of those who help Zion will be had in remembrance so that when Zion has sufficient strength to protect and shelter them from the storms, such will not be refused.

Maybe it's like fire insurance. So let the kings of nations and of industry apply themselves to furnish Zion to lack nothing in coming forth to be established. Let the meek and lowly come and apply their faith. In these days of solid evil we need to search out the righteous from the holes in the rocks.

With greater means a few can do much in these modern times. It occurred to me to write this thread when I read a challenge for members of the LDS Church to stop paying tithing. I thought I might give them some justification. And make for some pause as to what better to prosper with their purses.

Nightlion wrote:If not for Zion, the real kingdom of God on the earth, then it is given to sin.
A great high priest has proven that his heart is right with God in seeking to bring forth and establish Zion. Like Melchizedek who was seeing to it that Zion got done. To him did Abraham give a tenth of the spoil when he rescued the Sodomites. The man who is dedicated to seeing to it that the gospel is done right and only done right is the greatest high priest on earth. Such an one should be assisted to the fullest possible extent of your means. Joseph never knew enough to bring up a real Zion, and no Mormon since ever cared as much as he did.

If you honor thugs and charlatans with a tithes and oblations you are blessing corruption and sin and error. And a lot of sub-contracters with connections. All the innocent blood shed on earth shall be accounted to the Great Whore and Mother of Abominations, Babylon the Great which is APOSTASY. To know and not do is to trample the Holy One of Israel under foot. But, you know, they might have a great youth program and cradle to grave ordinances to live by and be chummy with all your neighbors.

Matthew 23: 35
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Just sayin'

"The kingdom of God is within."

Sorry, Nightlion, but that statement of truth negates everything you write. You're looking outward, for what is inward. You will never find it out there.

Tchild wrote:

Nightlion wrote:If not for Zion, the real kingdom of God on the earth, then it is given to sin.
A great high priest has proven that his heart is right with God in seeking to bring forth and establish Zion. Like Melchizedek who was seeing to it that Zion got done. To him did Abraham give a tenth of the spoil when he rescued the Sodomites. The man who is dedicated to seeing to it that the gospel is done right and only done right is the greatest high priest on earth. Such an one should be assisted to the fullest possible extent of your means. Joseph never knew enough to bring up a real Zion, and no Mormon since ever cared as much as he did.

If you honor thugs and charlatans with a tithes and oblations you are blessing corruption and sin and error. And a lot of sub-contracters with connections. All the innocent blood shed on earth shall be accounted to the Great Whore and Mother of Abominations, Babylon the Great which is APOSTASY. To know and not do is to trample the Holy One of Israel under foot. But, you know, they might have a great youth program and cradle to grave ordinances to live by and be chummy with all your neighbors.

Matthew 23: 35
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Just sayin'

"The kingdom of God is within."

Sorry, Nightlion, but that statement of truth negates everything you write. You're looking outward, for what is inward. You will never find it out there.

Thanks for taking the time to not quite understand. The only way the Kingdom of God can be within is after you repent and subject you whole heart, might, mind and strength to take upon you the name of Christ. The you can be born of him and become a child of his kingdom.

Whereas PEACE AND CONTENTMENT THROUGH LANDRU counts for nothing and is nor the kingdom of God.

I felt like a beggar here. So ya know I am not, here is my pay stub totals for January.