My Goodness -- Utchdorf IS a prophet

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_Res Ipsa
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My Goodness -- Utchdorf IS a prophet

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Here's what he said today:

"There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God, that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances," Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor to church President Thomas S. Monson, told the audience in Salt Lake City’s Conference Center Theater.


I bear you my testimony that what Prophet Utchdorf says is true.
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It has a tone of sad recognition that obvious truth might win out. It's becoming hard to be an Apostle.
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What were the circumstances of him talking and what was the audience?
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Bazooka wrote:What were the circumstances of him talking and what was the audience?


http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3/5764 ... h.html.csp

topic - history
audience - people sitting in the lds conference center
special commentary - richard bushman. have you ever heard of him? he is fast becoming the new tool of the church. jesus christ. he is such an apologetic weenie.
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"Truth and transparency complement each other," he said. "We always need to remember that transparency and openness keep us clear of the negative side effects of secrecy or the cliché of faith-promoting rumors."

Uchtdorf is a member of the FP. That he uttered the above is a disgrace and crass hypocrisy.
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"There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God, that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."


Well obviously if you take this and apply it to something other than Mormonism some problems become evident.

There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of Scientology, that the evidence of the world contradicts Xenu's utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."


Please explain why if this approach is reasonable for Mormonism it cannot be applied to any other religion or belief.
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Brad Hudson wrote:Here's what he said today:

"There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God, that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances," Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor to church President Thomas S. Monson, told the audience in Salt Lake City’s Conference Center Theater.


I bear you my testimony that what Prophet Utchdorf says is true.



I wonder if Utchdorf is going to be the church's version of Gorbachev?
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Uchtdorf, dubbed in some quarters as "Mormonism’s Pope Francis," did not refer directly to these essays but encouraged the crowd of history enthusiasts to continue their search for knowledge.


When did Uchtdorf sell his houses, move into a small apartment, and start riding public transportation? I must have missed it......
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The article referred to him as the "Pope Francis of Mormonism"!

not even close. That is ridiculous.
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Sammy Jankins wrote:
"There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God, that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."


Well obviously if you take this and apply it to something other than Mormonism some problems become evident.

There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of Scientology, that the evidence of the world contradicts Xenu's utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."


Please explain why if this approach is reasonable for Mormonism it cannot be applied to any other religion or belief.


If it's good enough for Bob...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mACqcZZwG0k
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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