"There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God, that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances," Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor to church President Thomas S. Monson, told the audience in Salt Lake City’s Conference Center Theater.
I bear you my testimony that what Prophet Utchdorf says is true.
I dare say, if God were actually making utterances there would be no contradiction by the world. Maybe what Mormonism alleges to be God's utterances is the problem.
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. Frater
Sammy Jankins wrote:Well obviously if you take this and apply it to something other than Mormonism some problems become evident.
There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of Scientology, that the evidence of the world contradicts Xenu's utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."
Please explain why if this approach is reasonable for Mormonism it cannot be applied to any other religion or belief.
Let me give it a try:
There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of People's Temple, that the evidence of the world contradicts Jim Jones' utterances, .... For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that, in the end, things will work out."
“There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God — that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances. For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that in the end things will work out. God’s kingdom will continue to grow. The truth will continue to flourish and spread throughout the earth. Sometimes all it takes is a little faith and a little patience.”
I appreciate the way Elder Uchtdorf talks about God's truth/kingdom etc but often does so without shackling it to the context of Mormonism. Elder Uchtdorf has proven time and again that he's a universalist, and I like that about him.
E.g.:
Latter-day Saints believe that all human beings are God’s children and that He loves all of us. He has inspired not only people of the Bible and the Book of Mormon but other people as well to carry out His purposes through all cultures and parts of the world. God inspires not only Latter-day Saints but also founders, teachers, philosophers, and reformers of other Christian and non-Christian religions. The restored gospel holds a positive relationship with other religions. Intolerance is always a sign of weakness. The Latter-day Saint perspective is that of the eleventh article of faith: “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may” (Articles of Faith 1:11).
"Truth and transparency complement each other," he said. "We always need to remember that transparency and openness keep us clear of the negative side effects of secrecy or the cliché of faith-promoting rumors."
Uchtdorf is a member of the FP. That he uttered the above is a disgrace and crass hypocrisy.
I don't mean to be an idiot but what the hell is Uchtdorf saying? Truth & Transparency complement each other??????? Why is this a disgrace??
I remain unwilling to jump into the Uchtdorf orgy. People seem to like him for being more sympathetic to the liberal Mormon but in reality, he is simply trying to win hearts without providing any substance.
Instead of blowing hot air, giving us empty orgasms, he could actually DO something. He could do something with substance like make changes to policy.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
"Truth and transparency complement each other," he said. "We always need to remember that transparency and openness keep us clear of the negative side effects of secrecy or the cliché of faith-promoting rumors."
Uchtdorf is a member of the FP. That he uttered the above is a disgrace and crass hypocrisy.
I don't mean to be an idiot but what the hell is Uchtdorf saying? Truth & Transparency complement each other??????? Why is this a disgrace??
There is no transparency in the Mormon church. From hidden historical documents, to hidden finances, to hidden membership numbers the church hides a multitude of data points. Utchdorf's statement is the height of hypocrisy.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin