Why didn't Christ, during one of their personal 'tete a tete's', slip Monson the word that it might be best if he didn't send missionaries to the Ukraine for a while?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has moved 23 missionaries within Ukraine amid violence, chaos and the threat of war.
To keep them safe, the church moved missionaries in the Ukraine Dnepropetrovsk Mission from the Crimean peninsula — the main pro-Russian flashpoint in Ukraine’s brewing civil crisis — to other unspecified areas within the mission "as a precautionary measure," according to a statement released Saturday by the LDS Church.
Why did Christ want those 18 year olds exposed to 'violence, chaos and the threat of war'?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
moksha wrote: Wish you would have asked precisely how they were able to know that. I think it cheapens our faith to give such answers, when she or he had no real way of knowing ...
That seems a very reasonable comment (what else did I expect from a penguin?).
But once the answer comes back "I know because the Lord told me, and I have a testimony of that", what more can you say, unless you want to attack a central feature of the Mormon faith structure - the testimony?
LDS leadership credibility fully breaks down when they allow people whom they are spiritually responsible for to continue to believe lies about the LDS leadership without correcting these misconceptions. This is priestcraft and sophistry at its most abominable.
It also proves the LDS Church is NOT focused upon Christ but upon the cult of personality in its leadership. I prefer to consider it hypocrisy rather than a cult since the present leadership inherit their deceitful positions.
moksha wrote: Wish you would have asked precisely how they were able to know that. I think it cheapens our faith to give such answers, when she or he had no real way of knowing ...
That seems a very reasonable comment (what else did I expect from a penguin?).
But once the answer comes back "I know because the Lord told me, and I have a testimony of that", what more can you say, unless you want to attack a central feature of the Mormon faith structure - the testimony?
Nightlion wrote: LDS leadership credibility fully breaks down when they allow people whom they are spiritually responsible for to continue to believe lies about the LDS leadership without correcting these misconceptions. This is priestcraft and sophistry at its most abominable ...
Yup. Church leadership must be very well aware of the widespread belief that (at least) the Prophet meets the Lord. They do nothing whatsoever to contradict that belief, which, if false, will greatly mislead the membership about God's relationship to his church.
Worse, they seem to go out of their way to talk about such matters in a way that leaves the door open to the notion that they sometimes speak to Jesus. It's as if they are happy to foster a false belief as far as they can without actually stating it openly.
I seem to remember evidence being cited on this board to the effect that past prophets and apostles spoke about such matters rather more openly and clearly. Can anyone refer us to such cases?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
There's so many reasons why this person should realise this is nonsense if they actually stopped to think about it.
I did the lesson on prayer in GD last week and will be teaching the prophets lesson this coming Sunday.
I'll be drawing on my quotes library to use the following two quotes (probably in both lessons):
Interviewer: As the world leader of the the Church, how are you in touch with God? Can you explain that for me?
Gordon B Hinkley: I pray. I pray to Him. Night and morning. I speak with Him. I think He hears my prayers. As He hears the prayers of others. I think He answers them... if a problem arises, as it does occasionally, a vexatious thing with which we have to deal, we go to the Lord in prayer. We discuss it as a First Presidency and as a Council of the Twelve Apostles. We pray about it and then comes the whisperings of a still small voice. And we know the direction we should take and we proceed accordingly.
I did not live in the days of our Savior; he has not come to me in person. I have not beheld him. His Father and he have not felt it necessary to grant me such a great blessing as this. But it is not necessary. I have felt his presence. I know that the Holy Spirit has enlightened my mind and revealed him unto me, so that I do love my Redeemer, I hope, and feel it is true, better than everything else in this life. I would not have it otherwise.