Yesterday in Sunday School . . .

[_consiglieri]

. . . the subject was the attempted sacrifice of Isaac and somebody brought up the old Harold B. Lee quote that God wanted Abraham to learn something about Abraham through the experience.

The instructor took up the question and asked the class, "Okay, so what did Abraham learn about Abraham?"

I raised my hand, "Abraham learned that he was capable of committing one of the most horrible acts a human being can commit."

The instructor didn't have to ask any more questions after that . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_DarkHelmet]

LOL. Next time you have a lesson like that, raise your hand and say that you have a testimony of Abrahamic tests, because you have had many experiences of God telling you to kill someone, but he always stops you right before you slit their throats while they sleep. Then joke about how hard it is to sneak back out the bedroom window without waking anyone up.

[_seeker56]

same lesson. I'm not as outspoken as you C. The whole concept of exhibiting your dedication to obedience by passing this bizzare murder test is just crazy, in my opinion. It's been said by someone else, but maybe the angel intervened because Abraham FAILED the test. Maybe the correct answer would have been a hearty, "Heck NO" earlier on when the Deity first tells him to kill his son.

[_EmilyAnn]

. . . the subject was the attempted sacrifice of Isaac and somebody brought up the old Harold B. Lee quote that God wanted Abraham to learn something about Abraham through the experience.

The instructor took up the question and asked the class, "Okay, so what did Abraham learn about Abraham?"

I raised my hand, "Abraham learned that he was capable of committing one of the most horrible acts a human being can commit."

The instructor didn't have to ask any more questions after that . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Chap]

Ah, memories of clever music ....

Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man you must be puttin' me on"
God says, "No", Abe say "What?"
God say "You can do what you want Abe but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"

Well Abe said, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God say, "Out on Highway 61"

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Lyrics | MetroLyrics

[_Mormon Think]

Nice consig. Next time bring this up:

In 1982, Rodney Lundberg of Logan, Utah believed God told him to sacrifice his son and he believed that God would prevent him at the very last moment, like God did with Abraham of the Bible, so he took a knife and started plunging it towards his 11-month-old son. Of course God didn't stop him and he killed his son. He was apparently mentally disturbed and pleaded insanity. But how is his experience really any different than Abraham's as they both believed in all their mind, might and strength that God wanted them to sacrifice their sons as a test of faith? http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=3 ... 41,2948293

all the best

Bill

[_Chap]

Nice consig. Next time bring this up:

In 1982, Rodney Lundberg of Logan, Utah believed God told him to sacrifice his son and he believed that God would prevent him at the very last moment, like God did with Abraham of the Bible, so he took a knife and started plunging it towards his 11-month-old son. Of course God didn't stop him and he killed his son. He was apparently mentally disturbed and pleaded insanity. But how is his experience really any different than Abraham's as they both believed in all their mind, might and strength that God wanted them to sacrifice their sons as a test of faith? http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=3 ... 41,2948293

all the best

Bill

All the stuff in the Bible comes with the warning 'Don't try this at home. Stuff like this only works out right if you are a special Bible person, wearing vaguely Arab dress, living a long time ago, and (if a man) sporting a beard. T-shirts and horn-rimmed specs will de-activate the miracle mechanism.'

Didn't you work that out yet?

[_son of Ishmael]

same lesson. I'm not as outspoken as you C. The whole concept of exhibiting your dedication to obedience by passing this bizzare murder test is just crazy, in my opinion. It's been said by someone else, but maybe the angel intervened because Abraham FAILED the test. Maybe the correct answer would have been a hearty, "Heck NO" earlier on when the Deity first tells him to kill his son.

Good point. Maybe the lesson from God is that you need listen to common sense rather than weird voices in your head. Nephi probably failed his test too with Laben.

[_why me]

It was my impression that abraham had a sure knowledge that god existed.

Genesis 15:1
After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Genesis 15:2
But Abram said, "Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?"

Genesis 15:4
Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir."


Such is what it says in Genesis. If abraham knew that god existed, he may have known more than we do now about the works of god.

[_Bazooka]

It was my impression that abraham had a sure knowledge that god existed.

Genesis 15:1
After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Genesis 15:2
But Abram said, "Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?"

Genesis 15:4
Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir."


Such is what it says in Genesis. If abraham knew that god existed, he may have known more than we do now about the works of god.

In what way do the quotes from Genesis support your impression that Abraham had a sure knowledge that God existed?
Your quotes support the view that Abraham thought God existed as a result of dreams and internal promptings.

If your quotes said, "and after God had sat down face to face with Abraham and explained the trick in detail before asking him to saw Isaac in half..." then I think you'd have a point. As usual, you don't.