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Nobody has been better researched than Abraham Lincoln. All the details are on the table. Yet, he gets all his sins covered because you just do not mess with Lincoln. Johnny Carson always said you cannot tell a Lincoln joke. It always falls flat. He sits in his memorial like a Zeus. I like Lincoln. I love his meekness and great speeches.

Lincoln was great EOS nothing ill is said nor believed of him.

Joseph was great EOS everything ill IS said and believed of him.

I dare say Joseph was the better man. And if he had lived and had became president there never would have been a Civil War. I dare say.

Lincoln did not belong to the one true Church, though he might now.

Lincoln gave us the emancipation proclamation. Joseph Smith gave us polyandry.

Nightlion wrote:I dare say Joseph was the better man. And if he had lived and had became president there never would have been a Civil War. I dare say.

OMFG! AYFKM??

Did Abe cheat on his wife with a 17 year old girl that he and his wife took in as a maid?

Did Abe threaten his wife with death if she did not approve of him having sex with young teenaged girls?

Did Abe demand that some of his male followers leave their home to promote his ideas and then hit on their wives while they were gone?

Did Abe declare himself king of the world?

Was Abe known for stealing other people's ideas and work and present it as his own?

SteelHead wrote:Lincoln gave us the emancipation proclamation. Joseph Smith gave us polyandry.

Lincoln freed the black man. Joe enslaved white Mormon women.

let's see

i'll take the gettysburg address over the Book of Mormon

i'll take President over PSR

i'll take humility over narcissm

i'll take monogamy over polygamy/polyandry


i'll take Emanciapation Proclamation over Book of Abraham

i'll take death by assassin over a shootout

i'll take honesty over lying for the Lord

i'll take abraham lincoln over joseph smith

God offers mercy and grace to both

k.

just sayin

kairos wrote:i'll take death by assassin over a shootout

+1000

Yes, that's all it was. Joe was simply out gunned. Joseph was not assassinated, nor was he a martyr. He was killed at the shoot out at Carthage corral.

Lincoln did not shoot a single bullet. By definition he was assassinated.

See? I am not going to list Lincoln's sins and probables. The point is fixed.
He had serious flaws but even his wife takes the hit, not him.

The Gettysburg Address over the Book of Mormon.

If this cannot prove extreme prejudice then extreme prejudice is unprovable.

Yes, that's all it was. Joe was simply out gunned. Joseph was not assassinated, nor was he a martyr. He was killed at the shoot out at Carthage corral.

Lincoln did not shoot a single bullet. By definition he was assassinated.

Joseph Smith went willingly to Carthage jail knowing full well that he might not come back. He even ordered the Nauvoo Legion not to do anything about it. Martyr.

Nightlion wrote:Nobody has been better researched than Abraham Lincoln. All the details are on the table. Yet, he gets all his sins covered because you just do not mess with Lincoln.

If we were asked to accept Lincoln as God's one true chosen vessel and mouthpiece on Earth, second only to Jesus Christ Son of God, and dedicate our lives, time, talents, families, and wealth to his church (and no other!) in exchange for salvation from sin and even death itself, and if anyone on this board advocated such, then your comparison might be remotely meaningful and relevant. Until then, it falls flat.

Also, whatever criticisms there are to be leveled at Lincoln, they mostly have little to do the things for which he is revered. For Joseph, on the other hand, most of his questionable methods, behaviors, and motives are directly or closely connected with the very things that are claimed to make him so great: his scriptures, doctrines, supernatural talents, and revelations.