Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with???

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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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Kent wrote:
EA, I expect Dan trusts experts in general, but probably not those he knows are inclined against the Church.


We're talking about neutral parties or, in the case of my link, a BYU colleague. If you define "inclined against the Church" in such a way that it is coextensive with sources that are unfavorable to his religious beliefs, then that's just another way of saying he is intellectually dishonest. What should we make of a man more willing to believe fringe claims from the back of a cereal box if they flatter his preconceptions than a relevant body of academics? And this isn't something that requires much trust. We are also talking about cases that are easy to appreciate as hoaxes or quotemining.

You seem to imply you've seen Dan's motives.
I am saying that I've seen his behavior over a large enough sample for a long enough period of time to reasonably infer his motives. I remember LDS apologists on boards like this used to love argue that we can't read minds and therefore are not in a position to call anyone dishonest. Of course, they'd call people dishonest, but then again consistency was never one of their virtues.

Anyway, the line of reasoning that we simply can't infer people's motives from their behavior without some sort of ESP has always tickled me. I imagine one of their children blatantly lying to them and they begrudgingly admitting that they cannot tell if they are lying because that would require mind-reading ability.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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You know on the MDD board they are all talking about how DCP kicked ass and took names. It is all about perspective I guess.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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DrW wrote:Why would you think that? I have posted a few images of myself here over the years, at least one of them fairly recently from a sailboat. If you had seen them, you would know better than to ask the question.


as i suspected.........

fat

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28380

say bye bye to your credibility (according to you)...................i'm surprised you feel safe on a sailboat.............captain ahab might mistake you for the white whale
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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ScratchsInformant wrote:
DrW wrote:Why would you think that? I have posted a few images of myself here over the years, at least one of them fairly recently from a sailboat. If you had seen them, you would know better than to ask the question.


as i suspected.........

fat

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=28380

say bye bye to your credibility (according to you)...................i'm surprised you feel safe on a sailboat.............captain ahab might mistake you for the white whale


I usually try not to make personal comments here, ScratchsInformant, but you are an enormous twit.

I'm quite impressed with the way DrW looks. He looks just as healthy and intelligent as
I expected.

Let's see your photo (if you dare). I can only imagine, after a lifetime of cake, icecream and funeral potatoes (average LDS fare) you might be a little chubby, yourself.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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ScratchsInformant wrote:
DrW wrote:Why would you think that? I have posted a few images of myself here over the years, at least one of them fairly recently from a sailboat. If you had seen them, you would know better than to ask the question.


as i suspected.........

fat

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=28380

say bye bye to your credibility (according to you)...................i'm surprised you feel safe on a sailboat.............captain ahab might mistake you for the white whale

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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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Quasimodo wrote:
I usually try not to make personal comments here, ScratchsInformant, but you are an enormous twit.

I'm quite impressed with the way DrW looks. He looks just as healthy and intelligent as
I expected.


hmmmmmm, well im not the one claiming that someones weight or physical charasteristics determine there credibility. so who is the twit? you and drw are both overweight, so by your rules you can kiss your credibiliy bye bye.

drw is just as fat as peterson...........hes the pot calling the kettle black except hes being more dickish about it



p.s. im fatter than both of you. the difference is i don't give a crap.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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EA, if I understand it, your link addresses one case and one BYU colleague, Jones. But Jones still affirms that there's evidence, including carbon dating, for horses in America during Book of Mormon times. Maybe I'm not following what you have in mind. (By "inclined against the Church" I mean in attitude, not evidence.)

I don't have any issue with inferring intentions from behavior, only the intention you infer from the behavior in this case. Simply being combative and having a snarky streak would explain the behavior.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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Kent wrote:EA, if I understand it, your link addresses one case and one BYU colleague, Jones. But Jones still affirms that there's evidence, including carbon dating, for horses in America during Book of Mormon times. Maybe I'm not following what you have in mind. (By "inclined against the Church" I mean in attitude, not evidence.)


We are talking about DCP using a specific example after a faithful source had clearly debunked it. That his source also has apologetic aims is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Or more accurately, it's relevant in precisely the opposite way you intend. You were claiming that DCP would only be reasonably expected to listen to non-hostile sources when it comes to refuting his pseudo-scientific claims. To provide a counter-example to this specific argument, I cited DCP not following-through on avoiding using a hoax even after a source as friendly as possible to his views provided compelling evidence against its validity.

Simply being combative and having a snarky streak would explain the behavior.


No it wouldn't. But since you say you don't follow his apologetic history, I'm not sure how you could be confident in that claim. You are arguing against my inference from a volume of historical observations you say you are not privy to.
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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CFR that Joseph Smith's plural wives and his sexual relations with some of those wives was common knowledge during the 1980's or even 1970's.


How about the fact that not a whole lot of LDS people seem to be phased with the current popularity of the issue. I knew much of this stuff when I was 14 years old and everyone around me did too. It gets brought up in our Stake in GD classes on a regular basis and no one bats an eye.

I attribute my knowledge of it to knowledgeable parents who helped me answer questions in the southern baptist South where I grew up. This was well before the internet and I suspect many other parents were just as clued in. Not the active ones obviously...
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Re: Didn't Daniel Peterson REALIZE who he was speaking with?

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Did anyone ever answer the question which is the title of this thread???
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