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Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:40 pm
by _Quasimodo
maklelan wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:Obviously, we're a pretty bad bunch, here. Maybe Servant (clever and appropriate name) could find a board that better meets his requirements.

I would hate to think that Servant was wasting his time with the likes of us.


*her


My apologies. Sometimes it's hard to tell.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:10 pm
by _Servant
Water Dog wrote:
Servant wrote:"My concern in this post is the true blue Mormon. Are new order Mormons justified in being hesitant to come out to them? While some saints will be welcoming and loving of all people who want to be affiliated with the church in any capacity, I think a great deal of regular saints feel threatened by new order Mormons, and as a result have less than charitable reactions." (source: http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/20 ... r-mormons/)

Are there any N.O. Mormons here, or is this forum basically Mormon hanger-ons who have a high opinion of their humor (or supposed intellect) and just like to goof around plus a few real Mormons who actually are "near TBMs" ?

If there are any N.O. Mormons here, I'd like to know if they believe in an actual God - and is their concept of God more closely aligned to the Christian view of an Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God Who is Spirit, or the Mormon god who appears to be some kind of exalted human being from another planet (if you read Joseph Smith).

I'm wondering if Mormonism is undergoing any kind of transition in its theology (other than some kind of higher textual criticism placing God in the category of an Edomite deity), and is there a movement toward embracing a move orthodox view of Deity? There seems to be a new move to minimize the whole "exaltation" doctrine TBMs have so long cherished!

Are you defining a NOM to be somewhere on a line between Mormon and Evangelical? I don't think I'd fit that definition. I would accept that our notion of God isn't complete, but I don't envision a flying spaghetti monster and find such an idea to be idiotic. If we can have bodies why can't God have one too? I believe we were created in his image. But, at the same time, if his spirit can drive one body, why not another type of body too? I would accept that he probably can take on lots of forms. I think that would put me in a category closer to Orson Scott Card than Pat Robertson though. This is a discussion I'd have no hesitation having with other members however, any other members. I have plenty of other beliefs which I am reticent to share though which likely would put me in the NOM camp, for instance the fact that there has been no revelation received by leadership since 1978, and that I don't agree with the cultural interpretation of the WOW.

No, I don't consider NOM to be evangelical believers at all. But they certainly aren't TBMs. I think they think things through more than the average Mormon does.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:12 pm
by _Servant
maklelan wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:Obviously, we're a pretty bad bunch, here. Maybe Servant (clever and appropriate name) could find a board that better meets his requirements.

I would hate to think that Servant was wasting his time with the likes of us.


*her


So, mak, would you consider yourself more a New Order Mormon?

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:56 pm
by _maklelan
Servant wrote:So, mak, would you consider yourself more a New Order Mormon?


I don't apply reductive and superficial labels to myself.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:16 pm
by _Servant
maklelan wrote:
Servant wrote:So, mak, would you consider yourself more a New Order Mormon?


I don't apply reductive and superficial labels to myself.

Just to others? By the way, are you still not going to confirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:26 pm
by _maklelan
Servant wrote:Just to others? By the way, are you still not going to confirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ?


Well, you're demonstrably a sectarian. I don't think any thinking adult could disagree with that.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:29 pm
by _The Erotic Apologist
Servant wrote:So, mak, would you consider yourself more a New Order Mormon?
Why are you so obsessive about pinning labels on people?

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:48 pm
by _Servant
The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Servant wrote:So, mak, would you consider yourself more a New Order Mormon?
Why are you so obsessive about pinning labels on people?


Oh, you've got to be kidding! I've been called everything in the book: Sectarian being one of the most used, among others degrading my person and intelligence. Get off it - and by the way, change your posting name. It's immature.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:50 pm
by _Servant
maklelan wrote:
Servant wrote:Just to others? By the way, are you still not going to confirm the resurrection of Jesus Christ?


Well, you're demonstrably a sectarian. I don't think any thinking adult could disagree with that.


It's sectarian to ask this guy if he affirms the resurrection of Christ? What is with you Mormons - is your Masonic type allegiance to others with the CTR rings of more importance than upholding Christ? I don't get it -but then, I suppose most here don't believe in Christ.

Re: The Threat of New Order Mormons

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:01 pm
by _The Erotic Apologist
Servant wrote:Oh, you've got to be kidding! I've been called everything in the book: Sectarian being one of the most used, among others degrading my person and intelligence.
So it's all about retaliation? Maybe you're taking all of this way too seriously.


Servant wrote:...and by the way, change your posting name. It's immature.
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