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SteelHead wrote:As noted, just throwing the standard Mormon comeback into the fray.

SteelHead wrote:I see little difference in the position of either side. The differences revolve mostly around interpretation of passages of the Bible, which I view as mythology. I will point out to folks such as Servant that their position is really no better than that of the Mormons, just different. Neither is tenable.

SteelHead wrote:No. You've seen me critical of the Mormon position all over this forum.

Gunnar wrote:

Ceeboo wrote:Ceeboo says......

What can be found at the very core of what Jesus taught while amongst us on earth?

Love
Compassion
Helping
Forgiveness
Humility
Humbleness
Patience
Understanding

For anyone trying to follow his example/teachings - the attempt to be Christ-like (yes, we all fail miserably at times), I would suggest that they are Christians.

for what it's worth, I have engaged several Mormons over the years who I consider my Christian Brothers and Sisters (I've told a few that I think Mormonism is Christianity on steroids). I consider them Christian not because of the church they go to on Sunday, but because of how they treat their fellow human beings. MercynGrace (over at the MDDB) is a great example of what I'm trying to suggest.

In short, I think the Christian churches/religions are loaded with people who loudly proclaim (demand in many cases) the personal privilege and authority of labeling who is Christian and who is not.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, the cement they often use to wildly apply these labels on and across individual human beings (as well as entire groups of human beings) is cement that they have mixed together, using ingredients that they chose to place in the wheel-barrel. Perhaps, this is why the cement is weak and thus has so many challenges in the binding process.

in my opinion, we "Christians" all ought to throw our cement and wheel-barrels away and replace them with water and wheel-chairs....just in case we cross paths with someone who is thirsty and/or could really use a lift.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Wow Ceeboo! This is the best post I've seen from you yet! I have never heard anyone state it better!

Ceeboo wrote:Sup Gunnar!

Gunnar wrote:

Ceeboo wrote:Ceeboo says......

What can be found at the very core of what Jesus taught while amongst us on earth?

Love
Compassion
Helping
Forgiveness
Humility
Humbleness
Patience
Understanding

For anyone trying to follow his example/teachings - the attempt to be Christ-like (yes, we all fail miserably at times), I would suggest that they are Christians.

for what it's worth, I have engaged several Mormons over the years who I consider my Christian Brothers and Sisters (I've told a few that I think Mormonism is Christianity on steroids). I consider them Christian not because of the church they go to on Sunday, but because of how they treat their fellow human beings. MercynGrace (over at the MDDB) is a great example of what I'm trying to suggest.

In short, I think the Christian churches/religions are loaded with people who loudly proclaim (demand in many cases) the personal privilege and authority of labeling who is Christian and who is not.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, the cement they often use to wildly apply these labels on and across individual human beings (as well as entire groups of human beings) is cement that they have mixed together, using ingredients that they chose to place in the wheel-barrel. Perhaps, this is why the cement is weak and thus has so many challenges in the binding process.

in my opinion, we "Christians" all ought to throw our cement and wheel-barrels away and replace them with water and wheel-chairs....just in case we cross paths with someone who is thirsty and/or could really use a lift.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Wow Ceeboo! This is the best post I've seen from you yet! I have never heard anyone state it better!

Clearly, you haven't seen any of my posts about a raccoon evolving into a whale!

Peace,
Ceeboo

Megacles wrote:
I do not know if that is fair, Markk. It seems like you are selecting one very specific verse--out of context--on which to build your entire argument, while I am asking if the Bible generally speaks about being saved by grace alone.

A verse here or there might support your argument, but let us not fall into something that that might eventually resemble a base rate bias.

Markk wrote:Hi megacles

How did I take it out of context? Please support that assertion...Explain to me what Paul meant here? When you are done there I will go to the next verse, and so on and so on. You don't have to believe the verses, but we can objectively look at them.

If you believe I have built my argument on one verse then we have a lot to discuss...are you willing...is that fair?

Thanks
MG