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Servant,

Perhaps it would help if you showed me, in the Bible, where any of the creeds are found?

Jesus was "equal to God?" Jesus was God! God the Son, not just "equal" to God. And Jesus remained both God and Man while on earth, and still does. The verse in Phil. literally says that Jesus had the morphe of God, the very nature of God.

Runtu wrote:Not according to some people. My wife, for example, has more faith in Christ than anyone I know, but I've been told on more than one occasion that she's going to hell because she's not a "true" Christian and she follows "the wrong Jesus." Why? Because she's LDS.

And this is supposed to motivate me (and her) to join up with the real Christians. I don't think so.

My GF is devout Catholic. She grew up in the south, and had been told so many times growing up that Catholics aren't Christians that it took me quite a while to convince her that she was deserving of being called a Christian if she wanted. It was kind of bizarre having to convince someone who belongs to one of the oldest Christian traditions that she is a Christian.

Buy, hey, who cares if you cull out a few sheep in the zeal of finding the wolves?

Megacles wrote:Servant,

Perhaps it would help if you showed me, in the Bible, where any of the creeds are found?

The creeds summarize the teachings of the Bible. Could you show me where the Mormon Articles of Faith appear in the Bible?

Doctor Steuss wrote:

Runtu wrote:Not according to some people. My wife, for example, has more faith in Christ than anyone I know, but I've been told on more than one occasion that she's going to hell because she's not a "true" Christian and she follows "the wrong Jesus." Why? Because she's LDS.

And this is supposed to motivate me (and her) to join up with the real Christians. I don't think so.

My GF is devout Catholic. She grew up in the south, and had been told so many times growing up that Catholics aren't Christians that it took me quite a while to convince her that she was deserving of being called a Christian if she wanted. It was kind of bizarre having to convince someone who belongs to one of the oldest Christian traditions that she is a Christian.

Buy, hey, who cares if you cull out a few sheep in the zeal of finding the wolves?

It's ignorant to say that Catholics aren't Christian - and I can see that coming out of the mouth of somebody ignorant as to Catholicism. Roman Catholics are as Christian as Baptist.

Servant wrote:Look, it was Joseph Smith who claimed that your God said my faith is an abomination.

My God? Hardly. If nothing else, I think I agree with Joseph Smith that it is an abomination to get so fixated on "correct" doctrine that one forgets what it really means to be a Christian, as you seem to have done.

Most Christians totally reject Mormonism as being part of Christianity - and those that don't, either don't have a clue about what it teaches or are misinformed.

That has not been my experience at all. Dogmatic, fundamentalist Christians I know agree with that statement of yours, so obviously you're a dogmatic fundamentalist. You do not speak for Christianity at large, thankfully.

I have no problems with Mormons having the right to worship whomever or whatever they want.

How magnanimous of you.

I do have a problem with your "missionaries" marching around and deceiving people into believing that Mormons are the "true" Christians, and God abandoned the Church established by Jesus Christ.

I've met a lot of missionaries in my lifetime (we had them over last week), and they aren't marching around deceiving anyone. They are teaching people what they believe, and by and large, they do it with a lot more humility and kindness than you seem capable of. I don't believe what they're teaching, but it's not right to call them deceitful because they teach what they believe.

In other words, to put this clearly, Joseph Smith through down the gauntlet, and now Christians are defending the faith once delivered to the saints - and don't we have a right to do so?

Of course you have the right to defend your faith, but you're not defending your faith when you look at people through your narrow prism of dogma. It would help if you could, you know, treat people like people instead of as enemies.

Jesus was about love. You need to lose the hate.

Servant wrote:

Megacles wrote:Servant,

Perhaps it would help if you showed me, in the Bible, where any of the creeds are found?

The creeds summarize the teachings of the Bible. Could you show me where the Mormon Articles of Faith appear in the Bible?

Right next to the description of the triune.

Servant wrote:

Megacles wrote:Servant,

Perhaps it would help if you showed me, in the Bible, where any of the creeds are found?

The creeds summarize the teachings of the Bible. Could you show me where the Mormon Articles of Faith appear in the Bible?

Everyone knows the AoF are found at the back of the triple combination.

Servant wrote:It's ignorant to say that Catholics aren't Christian - and I can see that coming out of the mouth of somebody ignorant as to Catholicism. Roman Catholics are as Christian as Baptist.

The local Church of Christ where we lived in Texas used to sponsor "seminars" on various cults and Satanic religions. They called Mormonism a non-Christian cult, and they said the same about Catholicism. I don't think their pastor was ignorant about Catholicism. He was just a hateful bigot.

Doctor Steuss wrote:My GF is devout Catholic. She grew up in the south, and had been told so many times growing up that Catholics aren't Christians that it took me quite a while to convince her that she was deserving of being called a Christian if she wanted. It was kind of bizarre having to convince someone who belongs to one of the oldest Christian traditions that she is a Christian.

Buy, hey, who cares if you cull out a few sheep in the zeal of finding the wolves?

Exactly. People like that seem to think that the best way to build the Body of Christ is to put it in a suit of armor and not let anyone else in.