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The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea right
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:38 pm
by _readtoomuch
N. Eldon Tanner, a member of the First Presidency who finally signed the statement granting blacks the priesthood, was completely opposed to the idea in 1967: " 'The church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro,' N. Eldon Tanner, counselor to the First Presidency told SEATTLE during his recent visit here. 'Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There's really nothing we can do to change this. It's a law of God' " (Seattle Magazine, December 1967, p. 60).
I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year. It is a law of God....not a theory or based on prejudices of their day. You see, its all a bunch of Bull crap!
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:48 pm
by _Tobin
readtoomuch wrote:N. Eldon Tanner, a member of the First Presidency who finally signed the statement granting blacks the priesthood, was completely opposed to the idea in 1967: " 'The church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro,' N. Eldon Tanner, counselor to the First Presidency told SEATTLE during his recent visit here. 'Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There's really nothing we can do to change this. It's a law of God' " (Seattle Magazine, December 1967, p. 60).
I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year. It is a law of God....not a theory or based on prejudices of their day. You see, its all a bunch of Bull s***!
It was his opinion. He was wrong. Wow, you really were one weird TBM. You aren't a member any longer? Correct. If not, I really suggest you leave. You seem to have superficial issues with the Church and Mormonism doesn't need someone like you.
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:12 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Tobin wrote:N. Eldon Tanner, a member of the First Presidency who finally signed the statement granting blacks the priesthood, was completely opposed to the idea in 1967: ...."It's a law of God' "
It was his opinion. He was wrong.
Gotta agree with Tobin on this one. We can't expect members of the First Presidency to know what is and is not the Law of God. Anytime some church leader claims such and such rule of the church is "the law of God" we can just ignore him. That's what the rest of the world outside of Mormonism does, and it works every time.
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:24 pm
by _The Mighty Builder
N Eldon Tanner, what a rube! Couldn't even use his real first name.
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:24 pm
by _The Mighty Builder
Tobin wrote:It was his opinion. He was wrong.
I totally agree with Tobin and DarkHelmet on this issue. NOTHING is DOCTRINE in the Mormon Corporation until the Public Relations Department has vetted it and tested it and prepared contingencies for total deniability. Secondly, N. Eldon Tanner wasn't the Profit so anything he said or did was just for show and the praise of men.
Why he didn't even have the authority to state "Thus Saith the Mormon Man god and his son Mormon Bastard Jesus, in the name of the Holy Toaster". So certainly he is just a puppet figure.
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:33 pm
by _bcspace
I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year.
No it doesn't. It only shows that the policy was to remain in place.
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:20 am
by _moksha
bcspace wrote:I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year.
No it doesn't. It only shows that the policy was to remain in place.
You mean the racial purity policy was to remain in effect till we came to our senses?
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:59 am
by _Bazooka
bcspace wrote:I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year.
No it doesn't. It only shows that the policy was to remain in place.
bc, Stop embarrassing yourself....
First Presidency statement (President George Albert Smith)
August 17, 1949
The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."
http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... StatementsToday, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.
https://www.LDS.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthoodThis^ is President Newsroom condemning and disavowing the First Presidency of 1949.
President Newsroom also condemns and disavows the keystone of Mormonism, the Book of Mormon.
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/2-ne/5?lang=eng
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:36 am
by _Jonah
readtoomuch wrote:N. Eldon Tanner, a member of the First Presidency who finally signed the statement granting blacks the priesthood, was completely opposed to the idea in 1967: " 'The church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro,' N. Eldon Tanner, counselor to the First Presidency told SEATTLE during his recent visit here. 'Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There's really nothing we can do to change this. It's a law of God' " (Seattle Magazine, December 1967, p. 60).
I guess that sort of debunks the Priesthood and Blacks essay released around the first of the year. It is a law of God....not a theory or based on prejudices of their day. You see, its all a bunch of Bull s***!
Tobin wrote:It was his opinion. He was wrong.
Where did he state that it was his opinion?
Re: The Doctrine of Priesthood and African Blacks - yea righ
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:10 pm
by _Tobin
Jonah wrote:Where did he state that it was his opinion?
It is ALWAYS their opinion. If you want to know what God thinks about an issue, then you should speak with him.
And this is yet another example of the literalism infecting Mormon critics (and the lack of critical thinking skills).