The members being disciplined include Kate Kelly, the founder of the Ordain Women movement, John Dehlin, a prolific writer, researcher, podcaster, and leader in the online LDS community and Allen “Rock” Waterman a prominent blogger at The Pure Mormonism blog.
In response they are organizing a grass roots movement called “Strangers In Zion,” and are calling upon thousands of Church members to send in requests to their local Church leaders for disciplinary councils.
Equality wrote:I agree. But a lot of Mormons don't think like us. They think that the Brethren--even if they are imperfect and make bad decisions at times--are the only ones with the keys to the ordinances required for salvation and exaltation. So the idea of just starting their own church, even if based on the same scriptures, etc. as mainstream Mormonism, is a non-starter. It's actually the biggest thing the institutional church has going for it. Mormonism is not just another Christian denomination where, if believers don't like their current association, can just band together and start their own and still consider themselves, and be considered by fellow believers in other association, the body of Christ.
Jesus Christ wrote:But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Brad Hudson wrote:Is the "they" Dehlin, Waterman, and Kelly, or the other unnamed folks who have requested disciplinary councils. It's not clear at all. I'll wait to hear from Dehlin, Kelly and Waterman before jumping to conclusions.
Those who are participating in the Strangers In Zion Movement hold the same views, opinions, and beliefs as those previously mentioned who are currently facing or have previously faced Church discipline. We are vocal about our positions and the changes we would like to see within the Church. Because of this we are asking our local leaders to convene disciplinary hearings in an effort to be held to the same standards as our leaders and heroes who are attempting to improve the Church and make it stronger more dynamic religious community. Just like these individuals who have been targeted for Church discipline, we feel that there should be space in the Church for Mormons like us. However, if these individuals are no longer wanted by the Church, then we will stand with them.
beanboots wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:Is the "they" Dehlin, Waterman, and Kelly, or the other unnamed folks who have requested disciplinary councils. It's not clear at all. I'll wait to hear from Dehlin, Kelly and Waterman before jumping to conclusions.
Could be. It could also be that this Micah idiot sucks at writing press releases.
Brad Hudson wrote:This language from the "about" page indicates the organization was formed by others who want to "stand with" Dehlin, Kelly and Waterman:Those who are participating in the Strangers In Zion Movement hold the same views, opinions, and beliefs as those previously mentioned who are currently facing or have previously faced Church discipline. We are vocal about our positions and the changes we would like to see within the Church. Because of this we are asking our local leaders to convene disciplinary hearings in an effort to be held to the same standards as our leaders and heroes who are attempting to improve the Church and make it stronger more dynamic religious community. Just like these individuals who have been targeted for Church discipline, we feel that there should be space in the Church for Mormons like us. However, if these individuals are no longer wanted by the Church, then we will stand with them.
Equality wrote:But a lot of Mormons don't think like us. They think that the Brethren--even if they are imperfect and make bad decisions at times--are the only ones with the keys to the ordinances required for salvation and exaltation. So the idea of just starting their own church, even if based on the same scriptures, etc. as mainstream Mormonism, is a non-starter. It's actually the biggest thing the institutional church has going for it. Mormonism is not just another Christian denomination where, if believers don't like their current association, can just band together and start their own and still consider themselves, and be considered by fellow believers in other association, the body of Christ.
Ceeboo wrote:Equality wrote:But a lot of Mormons don't think like us. They think that the Brethren--even if they are imperfect and make bad decisions at times--are the only ones with the keys to the ordinances required for salvation and exaltation. So the idea of just starting their own church, even if based on the same scriptures, etc. as mainstream Mormonism, is a non-starter. It's actually the biggest thing the institutional church has going for it. Mormonism is not just another Christian denomination where, if believers don't like their current association, can just band together and start their own and still consider themselves, and be considered by fellow believers in other association, the body of Christ.
I would be hard pressed to find another 116 word post (Yes, this post was so good that I counted each and every word in it) that would be more accurate, more profound, and/or more completely spot-on as this one is!
Brilliant!
Peace,
Ceeboo