The Die Has Been Cast; John Dehlin WILL Be Excommunicated

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Tim the Enchanter wrote:
I don't understand how Kate Kelly could be considered a greater threat than John Dehlin. He has, I believe, a much larger following than she does. .


i disagree. i do not think he has nearly as large of a following as kate. he was on her bandwagon, not the other way around. his following may be more sychophant than hers, but it is absolutely not larger. not among exmos, not among Mormons, and not among the press, and not among the leaders of the church.
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Mayan Elephant wrote:
Tim the Enchanter wrote:
I don't understand how Kate Kelly could be considered a greater threat than John Dehlin. He has, I believe, a much larger following than she does. .


i disagree. i do not think he has nearly as large of a following as kate. he was on her bandwagon, not the other way around. his following may be more sychophant than hers, but it is absolutely not larger. not among exmos, not among Mormons, and not among the press, and not among the leaders of the church.


On the other hand, Kate can be perceived as simply a feminist. John cannot be dismissed as someone who hasn't really thought things through properly.
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Mayan Elephant wrote:let me explain this a bit, tim. sorry.

from the perspective of a tbm Mormon, there is not a lot of difference between dehlin and by common consent. or dehlin and and times and seasons. they are just the internet. he is just publishing interviews and hosting stuff online. no difference to them between this board and Mormon stories. just anti-mormon internet hosts.

from a tbm perspective, kate kelly is satan.


Based on the limited conversations my TBM wife and I have had this past week, to her John Dehlin and Kate Kelly are joined at the hip. Perhaps she was posturing because she expected him to be excommunicated as well and will change her tune if he is not. I don't know how representative she is of TBM's as a whole, but she doesn't seem to think that differently of them. It seems to her, neither of them inspires faith in the church and that's all she needs to know.

Mayan Elephant wrote:only a church court and public excommunication would give dehlin his martyr status and elevate him to satan status among tbm members.

the trib is hosting conversations with Mormon feminists about kate kelly, her movement, and her court. the deseret news is covering it closely. any conversations about dehlin were a response to an article in the ny times where he initiated and tied himself to kelly as co-defendant. he was never even summoned to a court, and now he is diminished in the press's interest. that will continue to slide, and there is no incentive to ramp it up.


You raise a good point about the church not wanting to ramp up more negative media attention if it's dying down, but they braved the bad press for Kate Kelly and if they see John Dehlin as too much of a negative I think they would be willing to brave the bad press again.
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My understanding is that Dehlin has another meeting with his Stake President either the end of this month or the end of next month. I don't think this is over for Dehlin by any means.
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Craig Paxton wrote:I don't see any other outcome...the church can not afford to Excommunicate Kate Kelly and allow John Dehlin to walk away a free man, escaping church discipline.


I don't see it any other way. If John's case goes untouched then the women will have more to complain about and illegitimately so.
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Is it possible that John has shown a willingness to bend that Kate did not?
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:My understanding is that Dehlin has another meeting with his Stake President either the end of this month or the end of next month. I don't think this is over for Dehlin by any means.


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Bazooka wrote:Is it possible that John has shown a willingness to bend that Kate did not?


I think if John is not ex'd it will look like a man being privileged over a woman no matter what the reason or flexibility.
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Mayan Elephant wrote:
Jesse Pinkman wrote:My understanding is that Dehlin has another meeting with his Stake President either the end of this month or the end of next month. I don't think this is over for Dehlin by any means.


sunday, june 29


Maybe Independence Day will have a new meaning for him this year.
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