He had lived in America some fifteen hundred years ago and was the sole survivor of his people in a series of tragic battles which took many lives.
He had witnessed the destruction of his whole nation, including his own family. In bitter vengeance their enemies had vowed their complete annihilation, and now this threat was accomplished.
Moroni’s father was commander of the armies of this ancient people, known as Nephites. His name was Mormon. The war of which we speak took place here in America some four hundred years after Christ.
As the fighting neared its end, Mormon gathered the remnant of his forces about a hill which they called Cumorah, located in what is now the western part of the state of New York.
His people were Americans, too. His words constituted a people-to-people message, ancient Americans speaking to modern Americans.
Someone please tell all of the fools at FAIR/MD&D/FARMS/MI that they are wrong.
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You are looking to find fault. The only way to know if this is true doctrine is to pray and the Holy Ghost will make manfest to you whether it is true or not.
If he confirms its truthfulness then for you it is true.
He may fail to confirm it to the next one who prays and for him it will not be true.
The Lord works in mysterious ways and, to paraphrase Joseph Smith - that which is right and true in one case may not be right and true in the next.
So, your answer to the prayer makes perfect sense and the answer the the other guy gets that is a 180 from yours makes perfect sense.
Now do you understand?
“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing." Ensign/2012/12
ZelphtheGreat wrote:You are looking to find fault. The only way to know if this is true doctrine is to pray and the Holy Ghost will make manifest to you whether it is true or not.
If he confirms its truthfulness then for you it is true.
He may fail to confirm it to the next one who prays and for him it will not be true.
The Lord works in mysterious ways and, to paraphrase Joseph Smith - that which is right and true in one case may not be right and true in the next.
So, your answer to the prayer makes perfect sense and the answer the the other guy gets that is a 180 from yours makes perfect sense.
Now do you understand?
Zelph, your typing voice sounds exactly like bcspacey's.
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It is not just an Ensign magazine article, but it is also a General Conference talk given by an LDS Apostle. And Mark E. Petersen wasn't the only LDS Apostle who stated that the one real Hill Cumorah is located in the western part of the State of New York. LDS Apostle James E. Talmage stated in one of his books:
For many decades the Nephites retreated before their aggressive foes, making their way north-eastward through what is now the United States. About 400 A.D. the last great battle was fought near the hill Cumorah;[1505] and the Nephite nation became extinct.[1506] The degenerate remnant of Lehi's posterity, the Lamanites or American Indians, have continued until this day. Moroni, the last of the Nephite prophets, hid away the record of his people in the hill Cumorah, whence it has been brought forth by divine direction in the current dispensation. That record is now before the world translated through the gift and power of God, and published to the edification of all nations, as the Book of Mormon.
He had lived in America some fifteen hundred years ago and was the sole survivor of his people in a series of tragic battles which took many lives.
He had witnessed the destruction of his whole nation, including his own family. In bitter vengeance their enemies had vowed their complete annihilation, and now this threat was accomplished.
Moroni’s father was commander of the armies of this ancient people, known as Nephites. His name was Mormon. The war of which we speak took place here in America some four hundred years after Christ.
As the fighting neared its end, Mormon gathered the remnant of his forces about a hill which they called Cumorah, located in what is now the western part of the state of New York.
His people were Americans, too. His words constituted a people-to-people message, ancient Americans speaking to modern Americans.
Someone please tell all of the fools at FAIR/MD&D/FARMS/MI that they are wrong.
The topic of LGT is being discussed right now at MDD. Of course most of the apologist are LGT supporters and hate Meldrum and his American heartland theory's guts.
I unashamedly lifted Polygamy-Porter's Ensign article and posted it over there. I'm waiting to see how long it takes to Mark E. Peterson to get thrown under the bus.
I think Bcspace would contend that the Ensign Poetry is not doctrine unless it was written by one of the Brethren.
The fact that it is published by the Church makes it doctrine. There are no other considerations besides context, disclaimers, other official publications of later date, etc.
I'd say the doctrine would be in the case you mentioned "This is poetry".
As for the Hill Cumorah, later publications have opened up the possibility of multiple Cumorah's. Sorenson's Ensign two-parter comes to mind....
bcspace wrote:The fact that it is published by the Church makes it doctrine.
As an employee of the Church's Publication Services Department, that's not true in any sense whatsoever.
Well, you're probably thinking along the lines of "official doctrine."
By definition, anything that is taught by the Church is doctrine.
This distinction between doctrine and official doctrine is really quite new, and was born from apologetic necessity to deal with the Church's riddled history of inconsistency and disproved claims. Heck, even apostle Bruce R. McConkie didn't think there would be any problem calling his book Mormon Doctrine, and for good reason.