Ludd wrote: I read the article you linked to, but I don't see anything in it that would lead to the conclusion you seem to have reached: "that Spencer W. Kimball would have been against post-marital masturbation."
Maybe I was reading too much into this quote from SWK:
Sexual experiences were never intended by the Lord to be a mere plaything or merely to satisfy passions and lusts. We know of no directive from the Lord that proper sexual experience between husbands and wives need be limited totally to the procreation of children, but we find much evidence from Adam until now that no provision was ever made by the Lord for indiscriminate sex.
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
Ludd wrote: I read the article you linked to, but I don't see anything in it that would lead to the conclusion you seem to have reached: "that Spencer W. Kimball would have been against post-marital masturbation."
Maybe I was reading too much into this quote from SWK:
Sexual experiences were never intended by the Lord to be a mere plaything or merely to satisfy passions and lusts. We know of no directive from the Lord that proper sexual experience between husbands and wives need be limited totally to the procreation of children, but we find much evidence from Adam until now that no provision was ever made by the Lord for indiscriminate sex.
Yeah, that sentence is pretty open to individual interpretation, although I certainly agree that attempting to divorce "passions" from human sexuality doesn't seem very logical, or very possible. Sex without passion? I can't even imagine such a thing.
DarkHelmet wrote:Ar you sure she knows what the words "masturbation" and "orgasm" mean? Maybe she watches a PG rated romantic comedy twice a week and it gets her juices flowing. That might be the single TBM equivalent of masturbating to orgasm.
Graham Crackers! She should eat s'mores every night.
I'll answer your question if you answer one of mine, OK?
I have a question about the word of wisdom and health/extreme sports. I was a little surprised when I found out a buddy of mine was taking huge amounts of caffeine every day as part of his exercise with doctor supervision and he is totally TBM. Currently he's a stake mission leader and won't wear anything but a white shirt to church. Without going into details, the two of us used to work out together when I lived close to muscle beach where I spent all my free time and before I got a huge promotion as an executive. We had sort of a friendly rivalry going, having both won several body-building competitions and you know, it was always who had the biggest triceps or meanest lats or who got the most looks from the beach babes. But we were never inappropriate and didn't look too much and we always started our workouts with reading the Book of Mormon so there were no problems there. In fact, we used our success to tell the women who would try and flirt with us about the Church or the guys who wanted tips on getting ripped. I guess that's why he's a mission leader due to his popularity and charisma and I was for several years but I'm now in the stake presidency. We both still hit the gym hard and compete on occasion, but I was shocked to learn about his caffeine use. Is he breaking the Word of Wisdom by taking caffeine?
I also have a question about tithing. I was a little surprised when I discovered a former business partner pays on his net rather than his gross. We were both Wall Street investors and also did merger acq. back in the day. Without going into details, I always paid my gross check, even my bonuses when they were in the seven figure range. I figure it didn't matter since I owned twelve houses by the time I was thirty. My friend was a counselor in the Bishopric and ran all kinds of charity things for the Church as well. He had as much as I did or possibly more, given he threw me a birthday party once where he sent a half-dozen strippers to kidnap me from my penthouse office and force me into a limo to one of his Gulfstreams that whisked me to an island he rented for the weekend. Hey, neither one of us were married at the time and it was all in good fun and nothing inappropriate happened, the bishop even found out and didn't make a big deal of it. Well, I found out buying him dinner at Per Se that he pays on his net. I guess that's why it seemed he was doing better than me at times. I was kind of shocked, but he thought it was normal. So is he paying a full tithing if he pays on his net? What do you guys think?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Sounds like none of you would be very good at foreplay. Perhaps that's why you're not married?
Masturbation leads to homosexuality, don'tcha know?
No, I didn't know that and I wouldn't believe it. But I daresay that child sexual experimentation and man/boy love as advocated by Planned Parenthood does lead to it.
After marriage, bishops/SPs stopped asking if I masturbate. Before marriage, it was asked many times. I inferred from this that the desire to masturbate goes away after marriage. Amazingly enough, it did go away! ....just kidding.
As a TBM, I honestly believed that masturbation whether married or single was an evil practice. Why did I believe this? I don't think anyone actually explained it to me. The problem is, nobody ever told me, "Zee, you can masturbate now that you are married." The fact is, masturbation was banned. Period.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
After marriage, bishops/SPs stopped asking if I masturbate. Before marriage, it was asked many times. I inferred from this that the desire to masturbate goes away after marriage. Amazingly enough, it did go away! ....just kidding.
You must have forgot to shave your palms. I was never asked that question in an interview ever before or after marriage.
I'll answer your question if you answer one of mine, OK?
I have a question about the word of wisdom and health/extreme sports. I was a little surprised when I found out a buddy of mine was taking huge amounts of caffeine every day as part of his exercise with doctor supervision and he is totally TBM. Currently he's a stake mission leader and won't wear anything but a white shirt to church. Without going into details, the two of us used to work out together when I lived close to muscle beach where I spent all my free time and before I got a huge promotion as an executive. We had sort of a friendly rivalry going, having both won several body-building competitions and you know, it was always who had the biggest triceps or meanest lats or who got the most looks from the beach babes. But we were never inappropriate and didn't look too much and we always started our workouts with reading the Book of Mormon so there were no problems there. In fact, we used our success to tell the women who would try and flirt with us about the Church or the guys who wanted tips on getting ripped. I guess that's why he's a mission leader due to his popularity and charisma and I was for several years but I'm now in the stake presidency. We both still hit the gym hard and compete on occasion, but I was shocked to learn about his caffeine use. Is he breaking the Word of Wisdom by taking caffeine?
I also have a question about tithing. I was a little surprised when I discovered a former business partner pays on his net rather than his gross. We were both Wall Street investors and also did merger acq. back in the day. Without going into details, I always paid my gross check, even my bonuses when they were in the seven figure range. I figure it didn't matter since I owned twelve houses by the time I was thirty. My friend was a counselor in the Bishopric and ran all kinds of charity things for the Church as well. He had as much as I did or possibly more, given he threw me a birthday party once where he sent a half-dozen strippers to kidnap me from my penthouse office and force me into a limo to one of his Gulfstreams that whisked me to an island he rented for the weekend. Hey, neither one of us were married at the time and it was all in good fun and nothing inappropriate happened, the bishop even found out and didn't make a big deal of it. Well, I found out buying him dinner at Per Se that he pays on his net. I guess that's why it seemed he was doing better than me at times. I was kind of shocked, but he thought it was normal. So is he paying a full tithing if he pays on his net? What do you guys think?
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We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
I'll answer your question if you answer one of mine, OK?
I have a question about the word of wisdom and health/extreme sports. I was a little surprised when I found out a buddy of mine was taking huge amounts of caffeine every day as part of his exercise with doctor supervision and he is totally TBM. Currently he's a stake mission leader and won't wear anything but a white shirt to church. Without going into details, the two of us used to work out together when I lived close to muscle beach where I spent all my free time and before I got a huge promotion as an executive. We had sort of a friendly rivalry going, having both won several body-building competitions and you know, it was always who had the biggest triceps or meanest lats or who got the most looks from the beach babes. But we were never inappropriate and didn't look too much and we always started our workouts with reading the Book of Mormon so there were no problems there. In fact, we used our success to tell the women who would try and flirt with us about the Church or the guys who wanted tips on getting ripped. I guess that's why he's a mission leader due to his popularity and charisma and I was for several years but I'm now in the stake presidency. We both still hit the gym hard and compete on occasion, but I was shocked to learn about his caffeine use. Is he breaking the Word of Wisdom by taking caffeine?
I also have a question about tithing. I was a little surprised when I discovered a former business partner pays on his net rather than his gross. We were both Wall Street investors and also did merger acq. back in the day. Without going into details, I always paid my gross check, even my bonuses when they were in the seven figure range. I figure it didn't matter since I owned twelve houses by the time I was thirty. My friend was a counselor in the Bishopric and ran all kinds of charity things for the Church as well. He had as much as I did or possibly more, given he threw me a birthday party once where he sent a half-dozen strippers to kidnap me from my penthouse office and force me into a limo to one of his Gulfstreams that whisked me to an island he rented for the weekend. Hey, neither one of us were married at the time and it was all in good fun and nothing inappropriate happened, the bishop even found out and didn't make a big deal of it. Well, I found out buying him dinner at Per Se that he pays on his net. I guess that's why it seemed he was doing better than me at times. I was kind of shocked, but he thought it was normal. So is he paying a full tithing if he pays on his net? What do you guys think?
I have had suspicions for a long time about a certain thing. This post, despite it's weirdness, comes very darn close to finally confirming those suspicions, and leaves me wondering one thing more than any other: where do you find the time?
Doctor Kishkumanton Gadiscratchen, the amazing three-armed man:
