Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo Essay Up!

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Bazooka wrote:Yes, but a living man can be sealed to multiple women as long as only one of them is alive.
A living woman can only be sealed to one man and if he dies she cannot be sealed to another.

This is a discriminatory practice.


I have a relative who is sealed to two loving women.

His first wife, with whom he has two children, and he divorced but did not annul the sealing. He later married someone else and has a temple sealing. She has also remarried but has not been sealed to the new husband.

When I once suggested that he was a polygamist he smiled and nodded. He and his current wife believe the first former wife will join them in the eternities. I'm not sure what she believes.
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mackay11 wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Yes, but a living man can be sealed to multiple women as long as only one of them is alive.
A living woman can only be sealed to one man and if he dies she cannot be sealed to another.

This is a discriminatory practice.


I have a relative who is sealed to two loving women.

His first wife, with whom he has two children, and he divorced but did not annul the sealing. He later married someone else and has a temple sealing. She has also remarried but has not been sealed to the new husband.

When I once suggested that he was a polygamist he smiled and nodded. He and his current wife believe the first former wife will join them in the eternities. I'm not sure what she believes.


I'm pretty certain that's against the rules, and if proven to be the case, would seriously embarrass the Church.
I wonder if the new husband knows the situation?
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I think it's only against the rules for the ex-wife to be sealed to her new husband. Husband can be sealed to other women If I recall correctly.
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suniluni2 wrote:I think it's only against the rules for the ex-wife to be sealed to her new husband. Husband can be sealed to other women If I recall correctly.

Only if the first wife approves. OK there is one additional exception that can be applied in rare instances. If the first wife disproves, the husband acting in righteousness can overrule her.
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I posted a link to this article on Facebook. One very active LDS member liked it. Believing members are happy about this article. They are asking their acquaintances with questions about polygamy to read it. I know when I mentioned my questions about polygamy to our local sister missionaries they mentioned this article and seemed to imply that now all the questions have been answered by the LDS Church and there wasn't much else to say. The article is being seen by active members as a testimony builder.
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Bazooka wrote:Yes, but a living man can be sealed to multiple women as long as only one of them is alive.


Wrong. My ex is sealed to me and his new wife. I am very much alive.
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just me wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Yes, but a living man can be sealed to multiple women as long as only one of them is alive.


Wrong. My ex is sealed to me and his new wife. I am very much alive.


Doesn't that make you part of his herd of plural wives? :biggrin: (please don't hurt me....)
Also, this means the Church is still practicing plural marriage despite the 1890 manifesto, despite what Gordo said and despite the official position of the Church today that 'we' have nothing to do with them polygamists. When you think about it, it's dynamite from a PR perspective that this still happens.
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Bazooka wrote:
Doesn't that make you part of his herd of plural wives? :biggrin: (please don't hurt me....)
Also, this means the Church is still practicing plural marriage despite the 1890 manifesto, despite what Gordo said and despite the official position of the Church today that 'we' have nothing to do with them polygamists. When you think about it, it's dynamite from a PR perspective that this still happens.


Since it's all pretend I don't get too worked up about it. We are not legally married. Just Mormonly magically sealed. It's less than meaningless.

So, yeah, I guess it's pretty ballsy that in the eyes of the church my ex has two wives. But, he doesn't have 2 "time" wives, they'll argue. And "time" wives are the only ones that count from a legal perspective. Has the church ever claimed to not believe in afterlife polygamy?

ETA: What *is* weird is that although we are divorced the church sent me a letter asking me how I felt about it, or whatever. I'm like, uh, hello, we are divorced. I lay no claim to that man. It's pretty odd to ask an ex-spouse for permission to do anything once the divorce is final (outside of child-related issues).
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just me wrote:
Bazooka wrote:
Doesn't that make you part of his herd of plural wives? :biggrin: (please don't hurt me....)
Also, this means the Church is still practicing plural marriage despite the 1890 manifesto, despite what Gordo said and despite the official position of the Church today that 'we' have nothing to do with them polygamists. When you think about it, it's dynamite from a PR perspective that this still happens.


Since it's all pretend I don't get too worked up about it. We are not legally married. Just Mormonly magically sealed. It's less than meaningless.

So, yeah, I guess it's pretty ballsy that in the eyes of the church my ex has two wives. But, he doesn't have 2 "time" wives, they'll argue. And "time" wives are the only ones that count from a legal perspective. Has the church ever claimed to not believe in afterlife polygamy?

ETA: What *is* weird is that although we are divorced the church sent me a letter asking me how I felt about it, or whatever. I'm like, uh, hello, we are divorced. I lay no claim to that man. It's pretty odd to ask an ex-spouse for permission to do anything once the divorce is final (outside of child-related issues).


The Church doesn't recognise you as an ex wife.
*i just asked my Bishop if a man could be sealed to two living women. He rolled his eyes and said "No, of course not. Those days ended a long time ago."
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Bazooka wrote:
The Church doesn't recognise you as an ex wife.


That's just because they don't know me very well. *cue maniacal laugh*
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