Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo Essay Up!

[_Tator]

Since it's all pretend ........

That is a great sig line for about everything Mormon......

[_Maureen]

Since it's all pretend I don't get too worked up about it. We are not legally married. Just Mormonly magically sealed. It's less than meaningless.

So, yeah, I guess it's pretty ballsy that in the eyes of the church my ex has two wives. But, he doesn't have 2 "time" wives, they'll argue. And "time" wives are the only ones that count from a legal perspective. Has the church ever claimed to not believe in afterlife polygamy?

ETA: What *is* weird is that although we are divorced the church sent me a letter asking me how I felt about it, or whatever. I'm like, uh, hello, we are divorced. I lay no claim to that man. It's pretty odd to ask an ex-spouse for permission to do anything once the divorce is final (outside of child-related issues).

The Church doesn't recognise you as an ex wife.
*i just asked my Bishop if a man could be sealed to two living women. He rolled his eyes and said "No, of course not. Those days ended a long time ago."

I'm pretty sure a man can be sealed to two living women. When a man wants to marry in the temple for a 2nd time, after a divorce, he just has to do a "clearance" request. The clearance just clears him to get permission to be sealed to another woman, it does NOT cancel the previous sealing.

M.

[_Bazooka]

So, on the basis that it happens, what's to stop the General Authorities from taking on additional eternal wives through dealings without going through the legal process of marriage?

[_just me]

The Church doesn't recognise you as an ex wife.
*i just asked my Bishop if a man could be sealed to two living women. He rolled his eyes and said "No, of course not. Those days ended a long time ago."

That's because he is conflating sealing with marriage. A man can be sealed to more than one living women. He cannot be legally married to more than one living woman.
Ask your bishop about a legally, but not temple, divorced man who wants to get sealed in the temple to his new wife. It will dawn on him.

[_Bazooka]

The Church doesn't recognise you as an ex wife.
*i just asked my Bishop if a man could be sealed to two living women. He rolled his eyes and said "No, of course not. Those days ended a long time ago."

That's because he is conflating sealing with marriage. A man can be sealed to more than one living women. He cannot be legally married to more than one living woman.
Ask your bishop about a legally, but not temple, divorced man who wants to get sealed in the temple to his new wife. It will dawn on him.

Page 85 of The Church Handbook Of Instructions confirms that a woman needs a sealing cancellation from the FP before she can be sealed to a different man.

"A woman who has previously been sealed must receive a cancellation of that sealing from the First Presidency before she may be sealed to another man in her lifetime. A man who has been divorced from a woman who was sealed to him must receive a sealing clearance from the First Presidency before another woman may be sealed to him."

It also confirms a living man can be sealed to multiple wives on the basis that previous wives have died, but that a living woman can only be sealed to one man, even after that one man dies.

But the Church treats men and women as equals.....yeah, right.

[_just me]

Page 85 of The Church Handbook Of Instructions confirms that a woman needs a sealing cancellation from the FP before she can be sealed to a different man.

"A woman who has previously been sealed must receive a cancellation of that sealing from the First Presidency before she may be sealed to another man in her lifetime. A man who has been divorced from a woman who was sealed to him must receive a sealing clearance from the First Presidency before another woman may be sealed to him."

It also confirms a living man can be sealed to multiple wives on the basis that previous wives have died, but that a living woman can only be sealed to one man, even after that one man dies.

But the Church treats men and women as equals.....yeah, right.

BOOM!

[_Uther]

Page 85 of The Church Handbook Of Instructions confirms that a woman needs a sealing cancellation from the FP before she can be sealed to a different man.

"A woman who has previously been sealed must receive a cancellation of that sealing from the First Presidency before she may be sealed to another man in her lifetime. A man who has been divorced from a woman who was sealed to him must receive a sealing clearance from the First Presidency before another woman may be sealed to him."

It also confirms a living man can be sealed to multiple wives on the basis that previous wives have died, but that a living woman can only be sealed to one man, even after that one man dies.

But the Church treats men and women as equals.....yeah, right.

BOOM!

Animal farm "equal" I guess.

[_DarkHelmet]

I'm late to this thread, but this ranks as one of the more humorous things I've seen.

The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday.

Why is 15 more appropriate than 14? And who do they think they are fooling by putting her age as "several months before her 15th birthday"? Several months? LOL. She could be 14 1/2, or she could be 12 and still qualify as "several months before her 15th birthday".

[_Brackite]

Since it's all pretend I don't get too worked up about it. We are not legally married. Just Mormonly magically sealed. It's less than meaningless.

lol

[_Bazooka]

I'm late to this thread, but this ranks as one of the more humorous things I've seen.

The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday.

Why is 15 more appropriate than 14? And who do they think they are fooling by putting her age as "several months before her 15th birthday"? Several months? LOL. She could be 14 1/2, or she could be 12 and still qualify as "several months before her 15th birthday".

I think that phrase shows us just how disingenuous the Church is being and also how uncomfortable they are with this subject.
Helen Mar Kimball was 14 years old when she married Joseph Smith, several months before his 38th birthday.