In this video, I discuss how relying on the published Testimony of Eight Witnesses has led many to incorrectly assume the experience of the eight men was completely natural and physical. I present evidence that the eight witnesses saw the plates in vision and offer four possible scenarios how that occurred. I also discuss the apologetic resistance to new evidence regarding the experiences of the eight witnesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOxTJYBQWdE&list=UUE7-EZ_ANHRkYHv7wCUTt0Q
Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
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Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
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Re: Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
Another great video Dan. Thanks again for continuing to do these very informative and well-done videos.
Bill
Bill
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Nice video Dan.
Uther
Uther
About Joseph Smith.. How do you think his persona was influenced by being the storyteller since childhood? Mastering the art of going pale, changing his voice, and mesmerizing his audience.. How do you think he was influenced by keeping secrets and lying for his wife and the church members for decades?
Re: Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
Transcript?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Excellent!
Re: Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
Great video.
At 1:07 some of the witnesses look like Blues Brothers wearing sun glasses. :)
At 1:07 some of the witnesses look like Blues Brothers wearing sun glasses. :)
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Well researched and produced.
I was struck by the fact that the contemporary black and white images of the 19th century folks involved showed that they mostly (all pictured ?) wore facial hair.
Yet the faithful artist's depiction of the 8 witnesses around the imaginary tree stump showed a group pf guys who looked like Mormon men from the 1950's with ever so slightly altered attire - and nary a whisker to be seen.
Are we to assume that everyone involved went to the barber and purchased a clean shave for this special occasion? If not, one is left to wonder what else might be depicted here that came entirely from the artist's Mormon imagination.
I was struck by the fact that the contemporary black and white images of the 19th century folks involved showed that they mostly (all pictured ?) wore facial hair.
Yet the faithful artist's depiction of the 8 witnesses around the imaginary tree stump showed a group pf guys who looked like Mormon men from the 1950's with ever so slightly altered attire - and nary a whisker to be seen.
Are we to assume that everyone involved went to the barber and purchased a clean shave for this special occasion? If not, one is left to wonder what else might be depicted here that came entirely from the artist's Mormon imagination.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Thanks everyone. No transcript. I'm hoping to turn these videos into a book.
Dr W, I'm also amused by the fact that these farmers are all wearing suits.
Dr W, I'm also amused by the fact that these farmers are all wearing suits.
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Re: Vogel's video on 8 witnesses
Nice job Dan. I really enjoyed this one also.
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Good job Dan!
I keep waiting for a true artist depiction of all 8 guys trying to heft those 100-200 pound plates and pass them around without their backs breaking-maybe someday!
k
I keep waiting for a true artist depiction of all 8 guys trying to heft those 100-200 pound plates and pass them around without their backs breaking-maybe someday!
k