Jonah wrote:"Oh, and by the way, we TOLD your father.
This would totally piss me off and is unacceptable. That is one thing about the morg. They have no concept of personal boundaries. Good for you for telling them to shove it.
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
I entered the MTC to go to Argentina in 1989, was in Argentina for a year, had some health issues, and was sent home, but not released. I spent 6 weeks at home living mission rules more or less, and hung out with the missionaries in Utah a bit. I was then called--litereally called by the Church HQ on the phone--and told to pack my bags because I was off to Arizona to finish my two years. After a few months a new mission was carved out, and I found myself finishing in El Paso Texas.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
Lima Peru South '90-'92. Like Dr. Shades it was a profoundly formative experience for me (good and bad). That said, if I had to do it over again I most definitely would decline and focus immediately on my career. For Mormons outside the Morridor I can't really see the upside of serving a mission, and delaying one's education or other opportunities.
That said I got to see and experience:
The unending slums of Lima, Peru (plus a couple nice parts). The Incan city of Cuzco (and Maccu Piccu). The desert cities of Ica and Nazca (love those Nazca lines). The coastal mining town of Marcona (loved never ending avian migrations). The amazonian province Madre de Dios (Brazil was juuuust over the river).
Not bad. Got some happy snaps. Got robbed a few times. Baptized a few people. Got hit on my hot girls looking for a green card. Fun times...
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Buenos Aires, Argentina late 80's. I got to watch an attempted military coup live on T.V, and experienced hyperinflation.
Hated the LDS mission religious stuff to the core of my soul. Loved every part of the mission that was unrelated to Mormonism...except other missionaries, whom kept me hinged into reality when i thought I might go insane.
I still love to eat Argy food. As a matter of fact, I bought a dozen empenadas and half a dozen facturas just this morning on my way to work. Friggin' delicicious.
Near East, in early 90s. I can not say anything the exact date and place, because it was a military mission. And I wasn't called missionary. I was an expert...
But, its side effect isn't a military secret. I had then a very limited contact with my family, and during that 18 months (yes, eighteen months) mission, my wife was trapped by TheOnlyTrueChurch.
If I had been at home then... Forget it. If something did happen, there is no place for what if it wouldn't.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
I served a mission long ago. I wanted to serve, but, in hindsight, I was extremely naïve and innocent. It was a hard mission -- incredible poverty and awful living conditions. But, overall, a great experience that taught me a lot. I do NOT regret going, although I do regret some of the things I did (such as falling for the guilt trips laid on by leaders and falling under the spell of "numbers equal success"). It was during my mission that I first saw the underbelly of Church administration: correlation, politics, lack of real discernment, punishment, inequality, and a general void of Christlike behavior. It was a real wake-up call for me. I came home still very much a believer, but better able to see the negative in the Church as my life moved forward.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Mexico Veracruz mission in the 80s. It was a largely positive experience for me. I learned a language that I still use all the time. I've made friends and had opportunities that would never have come about had I not known Spanish. For that reason alone I don't regret it. I was moderately successful as a missionary. I wouldn't pressure people or use any kind of trick to get them dunked. I stopped counting converts at 42. I would almost guarantee that the majority are no longer active. I can think of three or four that maybe are. I've not kept in touch with families there at all, sadly.