The Church Officially Throws Bcspace Under The Bus

[_Sanctorian]

The LDS people owe a huge apology to the Tanners over the things the church has been admitting this past year or so.

The Tanners, Fawn Brodie, Mike Quinn....

[_Markk]

The LDS people owe a huge apology to the Tanners over the things the church has been admitting this past year or so.

The Tanners, Fawn Brodie, Mike Quinn....

Man...just think about the early years of the forums...how many persons were banned at FAIR for even implying this?

[_Tator]

The LDS people owe a huge apology to the Tanners over the things the church has been admitting this past year or so.

The Tanners, Fawn Brodie, Mike Quinn....

Man...just think about the early years of the forums...how many persons were banned at FAIR for even implying this?

So true, the times they are a changin'.

[_bcspace]

For many years now, we have endured thread after thread from bcspace, informing us that Joseph never had sexual relations with any of his plural wives, because there were no children.

Straw man. I have not claimed that.

[_huckelberry]

I have to agree with Bcspace here. I cannot imagine thinking that there are Mormons over the age of 13 who do not realize that Joseph Smith married more than two women and figure he had sexual relations with them. I thought the disagreements were whether he had relations to those very young or married to other men.

[_suniluni2]

For many years now, we have endured thread after thread from bcspace, informing us that Joseph never had sexual relations with any of his plural wives, because there were no children.

Straw man. I have not claimed that.

At least admit you claimed he didn't practice polyandry.

[_MrSimpleton]

For many years now, we have endured thread after thread from bcspace, informing us that Joseph never had sexual relations with any of his plural wives, because there were no children.

Now that it's official doctrine that Joseph had sexual relations with at least some of his many plural wives, I would like to hear from bcspace.

As much as bcspace post "no children, no sex" he did offer the following in August 2013

I've never said that Joseph Smith did not have sex with at least some of his other wives. It would have been natural and normal to do so in at least some of the cases.

In this particular case, Malissa Lott, Emily Partridge, and Lucy Walker were non "polyandrous". It is telling that Helen Kimball was passed over by the Temple Lot group for whom it was in their best interest to get those women sealed to Joseph Smith who could testify of conjugal relations in order to prove they were the direct successors of Joseph Smith.

The bottom line is that conjugal relations in most of these cases is debatable at best. You can't rationally assert say, information provided by Compton on the one hand and then turn around and prefer, say, Hales over Compton on something else simply because it agrees more with your pov. You have to have actual evidence and context and no presentism.

[_Bazooka]

For many years now, we have endured thread after thread from bcspace, informing us that Joseph never had sexual relations with any of his plural wives, because there were no children.

Straw man. I have not claimed that.

bcspace, who, other than Emma, have you previously accepted may have had sex with Joseph Smith?

[_DarkHelmet]

For many years now, we have endured thread after thread from bcspace, informing us that Joseph never had sexual relations with any of his plural wives, because there were no children.

Now that it's official doctrine that Joseph had sexual relations with at least some of his many plural wives, I would like to hear from bcspace.

As much as bcspace post "no children, no sex" he did offer the following in August 2013

I've never said that Joseph Smith did not have sex with at least some of his other wives. It would have been natural and normal to do so in at least some of the cases.

In this particular case, Malissa Lott, Emily Partridge, and Lucy Walker were non "polyandrous". It is telling that Helen Kimball was passed over by the Temple Lot group for whom it was in their best interest to get those women sealed to Joseph Smith who could testify of conjugal relations in order to prove they were the direct successors of Joseph Smith.

The bottom line is that conjugal relations in most of these cases is debatable at best. You can't rationally assert say, information provided by Compton on the one hand and then turn around and prefer, say, Hales over Compton on something else simply because it agrees more with your pov. You have to have actual evidence and context and no presentism.

Wow, I never knew BC Space acknowledged Joseph Smith had sex with his plural wives. I only remembered him denying it and asking "where are the children?". Good for both BC Space and the church for acknowledging it.

[_Tchild]

I have to agree with Bcspace here. I cannot imagine thinking that there are Mormons over the age of 13 who do not realize that Joseph Smith married more than two women and figure he had sexual relations with them. I thought the disagreements were whether he had relations to those very young or married to other men.

If I recall bcspace's argument (and other reason impaired apologists), they admit that Joseph Smith married other women, that some were young, and maybe even that J.S. married other men's wives. The argument is: those marriages (Oddly this applies to J.S. and not subsequent polygamous leaders) were dynastic, or sexless. Joseph Smith may have been polygamous and polyandrous in principal, but he was not in practice. Joseph Smith did not have sex with his other wives - else, where are the children?

I think that is closer to bcspace's apologetics.