DrW wrote:Given the credibility and reputation that EA has built up here over the years on such issues, as evidenced by his comments on this thread, I would say that you will need to put a lot more effort into your responses - unless you are okay with having someone else eat your lunch.
I could take the favorable impression EA has made on you re: philosophy and a dime and still walk away empty-handed from the gumball machine. You have shown yourself to be extremely gullible when it comes to arguments or "research" that is critical of religion/theism/Christianity. Your full throttle credulity re: the god helmet serves as a fine example. In fact, I would characterize you as someone who has been educated beyond his capacity for analytical thought.
In any event, there was no substance to EA's comments. They were vague and/or unsupported, which is unacceptable in mathematics and statistics, the disciplines in which I have been educated. Of course, he is not obliged to post a fully fleshed out argument but as I wrote, if he does not actually post an argument then he should not expect a response.
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DrW wrote:Given the credibility and reputation that EA has built up here over the years on such issues, as evidenced by his comments on this thread, I would say that you will need to put a lot more effort into your responses - unless you are okay with having someone else eat your lunch.
Plus one, Doc!
Even shorter Quasimodo: "Me too!!!"
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Please stop giving this dreary Thomist statistician the attention he craves.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
What I posted is the argument sans defense of rather uncontroversial premises. There's not much to take issue with there. The way theologians who want to preserve the cosmological argument respond to it is by proposing some exotic ideas about God and the world, which I also went to the trouble of referring to.
CC has a long history of arrogantly dismissing ideas and trumping the credibility of dubious theistic argumentation without actually doing anything to credibly defend it. This most memorably started for me with his hilarious "defense" of William Dembski and the ID movement which was mostly grounded in the fact that because Dembski is a statistician, he's tots legit and all critics are inferior.
EAllusion wrote:What I posted is the argument sans defense of rather uncontroversial premises. There's not much to take issue with there. The way theologians who want to preserve the cosmological argument respond to it is by proposing some exotic ideas about God and the world, which I also went to the trouble of referring to.
I doubt Dr. van Inwagen blustered through his argument the same way you have.
EAllusion wrote:CC has a long history of arrogantly dismissing ideas and trumping the credibility of dubious theistic argumentation without actually doing anything to credibly defend it. This most memorably started for me with his hilarious "defense" of William Dembski and the ID movement which was mostly grounded in the fact that because Dembski is a statistician, he's tots legit and all critics are inferior.
Feel free to actually post what I wrote. It certainly is not as embarrassing as your jones for the mediocre philosopher Theodore Drange.
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CalculusCrusader wrote:Feel free to actually post what I wrote. It certainly is not as embarrassing as your jones for the mediocre philosopher Theodore Drange.
Do you have a link?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
The Pope is so much more interesting, in great part, I suspect, because he is a Jesuit.
But I forgot - Calculus Crusader is not a Roman Catholic. It is a long time since I met any Puseyites up close and personal, so it may be he is the most urbane and witty specimen available nowadays.
Ichabod, Ichabod ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Plus one, Doc!
