Maksutov wrote:I'm sure the Lord guided Eyring there so he could learn from the head of the Great and Abominable Church, yea, even the Whore of Babylon.
There has been some speculation about that in the past about the great and abominable church but it was never official doctrine. It was just fiery rhetoric that was common at the time.
Nor does this matter. What matters is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints has always stood firmly and unwaiveringly for the principle of traditional God sanctioned marriage between a man and a woman. That is why we have a place at the table at a conference on marriage presided over by a man who has taken a vow of celibacy.
Maksutov wrote:I'm sure the Lord guided Eyring there so he could learn from the head of the Great and Abominable Church, yea, even the Whore of Babylon.
There has been some speculation about that in the past about the great and abominable church but it was never official doctrine. It was just fiery rhetoric that was common at the time.
Nor does this matter. What matters is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints has always stood firmly and unwaiveringly for the principle of traditional God sanctioned marriage between a man and a woman. That is why we have a place at the table at a conference on marriage presided over by a man who has taken a vow of celibacy.
Come back to this one in 50 years and see if the church still has a seat. But the church is true right???
Maksutov wrote:I'm sure the Lord guided Eyring there so he could learn from the head of the Great and Abominable Church, yea, even the Whore of Babylon.
There has been some speculation about that in the past about the great and abominable church but it was never official doctrine. It was just fiery rhetoric that was common at the time.
Nor does this matter. What matters is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints has always stood firmly and unwaiveringly for the principle of traditional God sanctioned marriage between a man and a woman. That is why we have a place at the table at a conference on marriage presided over by a man who has taken a vow of celibacy.
You think Pope Francis will ask Casper the Eyring about Horny Holy Joe damned LITTLE GIRLS and how that plays into "traditional" marriage. Or maybe he will ask Casper the Eyring about marrying other men's wives and how that plays into traditions marriage.
You are so right Elder Kessler, the house of Horny Holy Joe sets the standard for traditional marriage.
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Sanctorian wrote: Come back to this one in 50 years and see if the church still has a seat. But the church is true right???
I think they will still have a seat (maybe at the small table next to the grown ups, but a seat just as well). I think between now and the next 50 years, the Prophet will receive two important "revelations", one giving women the priesthood and one giving the temple blessings to all "worthy" members of the church (meaning gays too). 50 years from now people will talk about how the church was on the forefront of these issues.
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Sanctorian wrote: Come back to this one in 50 years and see if the church still has a seat. But the church is true right???
I think they will still have a seat (maybe at the small table next to the grown ups, but a seat just as well). I think between now and the next 50 years, the Prophet will receive two important "revelations", one giving women the priesthood and one giving the temple blessings to all "worthy" members of the church (meaning gays too). 50 years from now people will talk about how the church was on the forefront of these issues.
They'll have ditched all the man-woman pairing as the only 'marriage' doctrine, chalked it up as more man-speak and not knowing the source of the previous policy.
DrW wrote:Respect is due to those individuals and organizations that earn it through their actions.
mentalgymnast wrote:One of the reasons, I suppose, why Pres. Eyring is over in the Vatican today at the invitation of Pope Francis.
Regards, MG
Wally Kessler wrote:Exactly. When bureaucrats from paternalistic religious organizations gather to pat each other on the back for taking the right side in the culture wars, who can say other than this was based on merit?
I have always been impressed by the way the Lord has implemented a vigorous meritocracy to guide the church such that only the wisest and most learned men in philosophy, theology and social justice rise to the top. It has been said that whom the Lord calls, the Lord qualifies. I have a testimony that this is true.
I am also quite certain that given the explosive impact the Restoration has had on the world and has shaped religious thinking in all corners, Pope Francis could easily pick President Eyring out of a crowd.
Darth?
Is that really you?
If so, well done.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
Wally Kessler wrote:Exactly. When bureaucrats from paternalistic religious organizations gather to pat each other on the back for taking the right side in the culture wars, who can say other than this was based on merit?
I have always been impressed by the way the Lord has implemented a vigorous meritocracy to guide the church such that only the wisest and most learned men in philosophy, theology and social justice rise to the top. It has been said that whom the Lord calls, the Lord qualifies. I have a testimony that this is true.
I am also quite certain that given the explosive impact the Restoration has had on the world and has shaped religious thinking in all corners, Pope Francis could easily pick President Eyring out of a crowd.
LOL. Hoping that those with satire recognition problems are getting the idea by now.
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
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Sanctorian wrote: Come back to this one in 50 years and see if the church still has a seat. But the church is true right???
I think they will still have a seat (maybe at the small table next to the grown ups, but a seat just as well). I think between now and the next 50 years, the Prophet will receive two important "revelations", one giving women the priesthood and one giving the temple blessings to all "worthy" members of the church (meaning gays too). 50 years from now people will talk about how the church was on the forefront of these issues.
If the President of the Church doesn't get an invite fifty years from now she will be mightily pissed off....as will her wife be.
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That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Wally Kessler wrote:Since the Bretheren have approved recent essays about aspects of church history that well read members such as myself have known about for years, people all over the world have been discussing the Prophet Joseph Smith and his practice of dynastic sealing. This of course fulfills the prophecy from the angel Moroni that the Prophet's name would be known for good or evil throughout the world. But I would like to ask for some courtesy and respect in these discussions. We are persecuted for our faith as is, and do not need further bigotry about the gospel that gives heat but little light.
For example, witty little quips like this: "What goes into 14 twice? Joseph Smith" are inappropriate and offensive to people of faith.
Likewise: "Hey Joe! Who was that lady I saw you with at the Council of Fifty meeting?" "That was no lady! That was Orson Hyde's wife!" is not charitable or helpful to furthering understanding of these complex questions.
I believe that in order to foster respectful and intellectually rigorous discussion of the restored gospel, people should gratuitously acknowledge how wonderful the church is and how theologically and spiritually rich and anaphoric its teachings are is a good starting point.
Finally, this is still not funny: "How many GA's does it take to change a lightbulb? Fifteen to have closed door infighting about it, an anonymous group of lackeys in the COB to write faith promoting manuals about it, 45 attorneys, 28 accountants, a public relations firm, 12 real estate developers, 600 apologists to find parallels between modern lightbulb changing and ancient South America, and a letter to bishops telling members they will now be blessed with the opportunity to change lightbulbs for free."
Here is to hoping for a more respectful and charitable dialogue,
This Wally Kessler is a delightful hoot. Keep these funny posts coming sir!
Wally Kessler wrote:....people should gratuitously acknowledge how ... anaphoric its teachings are is a good starting point.
I remember reading a Mormon poster on this board (or maybe it was another board) saying that the Book of Mormon is a highly anaphoric translation. In other words, I'm going to use a word that most people have never heard of in the hopes that it will befuddle you, but in reality I am just giving you a vague and meaningless statement.
