Some Questions for Atheists Regarding Christmas

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hi MG,

Thanks for taking the time to watch the video. My only intent with the video was to help someone have a concept of time/the 4th dimension. I have no opinion on the producer outside of this video. If that video wasn't to your liking Google could ostensibly provide something better regarding the matter.

The view of God that I'm putting forth isn't my view, but the view of some posters here, and many people I've had conversation with over the years. I don't hold that view since I don't believe in a god or gods. The closest I could come to believing in a god-like being is if humanity has transcended itself with A.I., and that A.I. was able to transcend the 3rd dimension. But that's just sci-fi at this point.

What logical reason can you think of that would explain why a creator/God would not architecturally design a universe in which created beings would not be placed in a position by which they are free to choose?

I wouldn't have a clue why that would be the case. What I'm stating is that factually, logically speaking, if a Creator is all-powerful, knows everything, is all-present (including all the dimensions) the by its very nature it cannot but help create everything with a knowledge of their existential reality from point A to Z. Free will, for you, is a reality because you don't exist in the 4th dimension. Perhaps these gentlemen can do a better job explaining it than I can:

http://itsabeautifulearth.com/2013/07/1 ... llustrate/

Even though the fourth through tenth dimension stuff looks like a lot of fun to try and wrap one's mind around.

I agree! It's interesting and eye-opening to say the least. Thanks for your thoughts.

V/R
Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

I don't believe in a god or gods.

I suppose that's why we end up talking past each other. But the conversation is good.

Regards,
MG

[_LittleNipper]

If you are going to defend evolution, you ought to realize its ultimate conclusion.

And what do you think that is? (I hate to admit I'm curious about that, but there it is).

True science can be seriously proven through repeatable experimentation and not through "educated" opinion.

Uh huh...

We have a long history of breeding cattle, horses, dogs and cats. We have spent countless years hybridizing all sorts of plants. And yet in all this time, no one has created a new species of animal.

Ah ha! I get to call b***s***!

Man evolved dogs from wolves. Man also evolved bananas into their current incarnation. I'm sure with a little research, I could come up with several more examples. I know man has helped evolve several new species of bacteria.

Unless what you're saying is that man's never done it in a single generation, in which case I'd have to say, again, you have no idea what evolution is.

Plants are still plants.

And animals are still animals. So what?

Mathematically, with all the human assistance "evolution" is proven to be a "natural" impossibility.

To whom? Your religious friends? Color me unimpressed.

Millions of years could never change passing generations of dinosaurs into birds.

Except for the fact that they have.

There is simply not enough time (if such time was ever even a reality). And evolutionists have no personal claim or special privilege to "science". It belongs to everyone and not a select elite fraternity. In fact, such thoughts as yours are why education in public school suffers and turns students off.

There was so much gobbledygook in this last bit, I will only respond to it by saying this is all I'm going to say by way of response.

A species is an organism of one gender that is unable to produce offspring when united with a "different" species of the opposite gender. Wolves, wild dogs, etc. are all able to mate and produce offspring. The Bible uses the term "Kind" which is likely a better more appropriate term. As for dinosaurs and birds, the Bible is clear that at one time man and perhaps animals lived a very long time until sometime after the Flood. It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size. You, have not proven to me that there is no need of GOD, in order for anything that exists to even exist.

[_SteelHead]

And science has shown the Bible (or at least the yec interpretation of the Old Testament) to be categorically wrong about the creation, the flood, and the idea of 1000 year old men.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

A species is an organism of one gender that is unable to produce offspring when united with a "different" species of the opposite gender.

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It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size.

Oh, man. You can't make this stuff up. Religionists. This guy is a product of your system. Own it. Embrace him. He's one of you!

- Doc

[_Doctor Steuss]

It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size. You, have not proven to me that there is no need of GOD, in order for anything that exists to even exist.

This is why the long-lived Tuatara -- with a lifespan over three times that of its Squamata brother, the Book of Abraham** Constrictor -- can reach an awe-inspiring weight of 2.2 pounds.

Whoops, nevermind. Tuatara stops growing larger after its first 35 years. Obviously some kind of heretic lizard, refusing to grow throughout its lifespan. Probably actually a mammal, or something.




**ETA: The autocorrect of B.o.a. to Book of Abraham is kind of funny. Can you imagine a Book of Abraham Constrictor? Terrifying -- strangles you with its apologetics.

[_Zadok]

The autocorrect of B.o.a. to Book of Abraham is kind of funny. Can you imagine a Book of Abraham Constrictor? Terrifying -- strangles you with its apologetics.

I am well familiar with the B.o.a Constrictor. It is that feeling you get in your back side as you pucker up knowing that you're about to be screwed once again. Just reading the damn thing makes me have these feelings.

[_Some Schmo]

A species is an organism of one gender that is unable to produce offspring when united with a "different" species of the opposite gender. Wolves, wild dogs, etc. are all able to mate and produce offspring. The Bible uses the term "Kind" which is likely a better more appropriate term. As for dinosaurs and birds, the Bible is clear that at one time man and perhaps animals lived a very long time until sometime after the Flood. It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size. You, have not proven to me that there is no need of GOD, in order for anything that exists to even exist.

Yeah... I don't want to generalize and say that religion creates idiots. I suspect that idiots gravitate toward religion.

Regardless, if you actually, honestly believe this tripe, you sir, are an idiot (and that is being charitable). There's nothing left to say.

[_LittleNipper]

It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size. You, have not proven to me that there is no need of GOD, in order for anything that exists to even exist.

This is why the long-lived Tuatara -- with a lifespan over three times that of its Squamata brother, the Book of Abraham** Constrictor -- can reach an awe-inspiring weight of 2.2 pounds.

Whoops, nevermind. Tuatara stops growing larger after its first 35 years. Obviously some kind of heretic lizard, refusing to grow throughout its lifespan. Probably actually a mammal, or something.




**ETA: The autocorrect of B.o.a. to Book of Abraham is kind of funny. Can you imagine a Book of Abraham Constrictor? Terrifying -- strangles you with its apologetics.

How!

A Komodo dragon will continue to grow throughout its lifespan which is presently about 30-35 years. You seem to limit the scope of your investigation in order to promote evolution. Why not be more constructive and actually consider that God is a reality unless one can actually prove otherwise? You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut. Dr. Seuss

[_LittleNipper]

A species is an organism of one gender that is unable to produce offspring when united with a "different" species of the opposite gender. Wolves, wild dogs, etc. are all able to mate and produce offspring. The Bible uses the term "Kind" which is likely a better more appropriate term. As for dinosaurs and birds, the Bible is clear that at one time man and perhaps animals lived a very long time until sometime after the Flood. It is known that lizards continue to grow throughout their lifespan. If that span was hundreds or a 1000 years, it is likely that they would grow to an enormous size. You, have not proven to me that there is no need of GOD, in order for anything that exists to even exist.

Yeah... I don't want to generalize and say that religion creates idiots. I suspect that idiots gravitate toward religion.

Regardless, if you actually, honestly believe this tripe, you sir, are an idiot (and that is being charitable). There's nothing left to say.

If you don't consider yourself religious then what you stated is very bias. It is easy to declare what someone else says is idiotic while having nothing to either add or say for yourself. I find most evolutionists are very religious about their theory.