Some Questions for Atheists Regarding Christmas

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Re: Some Questions for Atheists Regarding Christmas

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LittleNipper wrote:
A Komodo dragon will continue to grow throughout its lifespan which is presently about 30-35 years. You seem to limit the scope of your investigation in order to promote evolution. Why not be more constructive and actually consider that God is a reality unless one can actually prove otherwise? You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut. Dr. Seuss


Nipper, dinosaurs were not and are not lizards. Birds, however are dinosaurs (called avian dinosaurs these days). You are just trying to defend your fundamentalism by making things up.

You have to wonder, Nipper, how true your beliefs could be if you have to state falsehoods to defend them.
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Quasimodo wrote:You have to wonder, Nipper, how true your beliefs could be if you have to state falsehoods to defend them.


There isn't any direct relationship between Nipper's beliefs, true or not, as they relate to evolution/science...or anything else for that matter... and whether or not his religious beliefs are true...or not.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:You have to wonder, Nipper, how true your beliefs could be if you have to state falsehoods to defend them.


There isn't any direct relationship between Nipper's beliefs, true or not, as they relate to evolution/science...or anything else for that matter... and whether or not his religious beliefs are true...or not.

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MG


That's kind of a confusing statement, MG. Are you saying that it doesn't matter whether something is true or not. Only that a person believes it?

From another angle, is the statement "I don't care if it's true, that's what I believe" valid? Does making false statements in defence of those beliefs morally acceptable?
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Quasimodo wrote:That's kind of a confusing statement, MG.


What ever reality IS isn't dependent on what one person thinks vs. another. They may be right, they may be wrong...or somewhere in between. Whatever IS...IS. If someone's views in regards to how science works is flawed, that doesn't change the nature of whatever "truth" is in the religious vein. So to point out that someone's scientific views may be flawed doesn't mean that the same person's religious views are in turn necessarily false.

Pretty simple really. :smile:

I didn't read the whole thread and I might be missing something though...

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:That's kind of a confusing statement, MG.


What ever reality IS isn't dependent on what one person thinks vs. another. They may be right, they may be wrong...or somewhere in between. Whatever IS...IS. If someone's views in regards to how science works is flawed, that doesn't change the nature of whatever "truth" is in the religious vein. So to point out that someone's scientific views may be flawed doesn't mean that the same person's religious views are in turn necessarily false.

Pretty simple really. :smile:

I didn't read the whole thread and I might be missing something though...

Regards,
MG


This strikes me as a little fuzzy.

Throughout history, people from many parts of the world have believed that the sun was God. Egyptians, Native Americans and many others. It makes sense from a primitive point of view. The sun brings light to the world and warms us. It makes the plants grow.

We know now that the sun (amazing as it is) is just an enormous thermonuclear reaction. Were the sun worshipers correct in believing that the sun was God even though we know that it is not? Does their belief in a Sun God trump reality?
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LittleNipper wrote:If you don't consider yourself religious then what you stated is very bias. It is easy to declare what someone else says is idiotic while having nothing to either add or say for yourself. I find most evolutionists are very religious about their theory.

Well, yes, I suppose I am biased toward evidence based science.

And I'd thought about disputing what you'd said point by point, but it just seemed so useless. You clearly don't understand basic common sense, and you've bought into creationist BS, so I didn't see the point.

I'm not declaring victory. I don't have to. Your own posts speak for themselves.
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mentalgymnast wrote:What ever reality IS isn't dependent on what one person thinks vs. another. They may be right, they may be wrong...or somewhere in between. Whatever IS...IS. If someone's views in regards to how science works is flawed, that doesn't change the nature of whatever "truth" is in the religious vein. So to point out that someone's scientific views may be flawed doesn't mean that the same person's religious views are in turn necessarily false.

Pretty simple really. :smile:

I didn't read the whole thread and I might be missing something though...

Regards,
MG


That's funny. I don't know if you did this on purpose, but you just described something called Bad Faith within the context of existentialism. You, in fact, could probably be a pretty decent example of the fact that you're aware you're kidding yourself on whatever level regarding Mormonism, but you act the part of a Mormon regardless.

Regardless, your staying (or doing nothing) within the context of Mormonism is a rejection of freedom, but you're still responsible for that choice. Nothing you do, no matter how much you compartmentalize objective reality, unburdens you of the choice you made to do nothing.

To Barney Level this for someone like Ceeboo, you're fakin' the funk, but choose not do anything about it because you've convinced yourself there isn't a better alternative (seeking to relieve yourself of the responsibility of freedom of choice), but you know better and that's why you post here.

You can't absolve yourself from freedom because you've decided to be a moral relativist. It's simply acting in bad faith with your nature. Good stuff, really...

- Doc

PS- An apple is an apple no matter how anyone looks at it (science); but claiming someone calling it a peach (religion) is just as valid (moral relativism) is absurd. Throwing in with the religionists at this point is Bad Faith because you know better, and will never change that apple into a peach.
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Mentalgymnast, You may correct me but I understood you to mean that logically it is possible for Nipper to be wrong about lizards and right about Jesus. Well considering possibilities he could be wrong about both or even right about both. Either way the accuracy of his lizard idea does not determine the accuracy of his idea about Jesus.

I am not sure why other people seem to read your comment differently.
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huckelberry wrote:Mentalgymnast, You may correct me but I understood you to mean that logically it is possible for Nipper to be wrong about lizards and right about Jesus. Well considering possibilities he could be wrong about both or even right about both. Either way the accuracy of his lizard idea does not determine the accuracy of his idea about Jesus.

I am not sure why other people seem to read your comment differently.


I'm one of those other people you mentioned, I think.

Here's how I read it. Nipper puts forth some very dicey speculations that he uses to defend his creationist beliefs. MG defends that position because he feels that Nipper's knowledge (or lack of knowledge) of established facts bears no relationship to his faith. I maintain that the well established facts negate the possibility that Nipper's beliefs are valid.

Of course, Nipper is free to believe whatever he likes, but posting them here puts them up for examination and discussion.

Having to use false statements and analogies to defend your faith is a good indication that your beliefs are false.
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Re: Some Questions for Atheists Regarding Christmas

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Quasimodo wrote:Having to use false statements and analogies to defend your faith is a good indication that your beliefs are false.
It's no damn wonder you're such a filthy apostate. You're far too logical and clear thinking for Mormonism.
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