Some Questions for Atheists Regarding Christmas

[Alf'Omega]

Your ass is a Triune essence....hmmm....that's unpleasant.

Well, it's not just me. Everyone who describes their god is just pulling something out of their ass.

[_Bazooka]

The fact remains, that you exist because God created.

That's not a fact, it's a belief.

And both you and I exist personally as a direct end result of sin entering into God's creation thousands of years ago.

Another belief.

This of course God knew would occur, which is why the Bible reveals that God foreknew and predestined.

The Bible is not a science manual. It's a collection of anonymous myths and legends.

God allowed the Fall for His own divine purpose. And the simple fact is that NOTHING can fully comprehend GOD. That is because He is GOD. So GOD wants us to think, but even in eternity, I believe that the total nature of GOD will be beyond the comprehension of everything!

In the post above change the word 'God' for the word 'Zeuss' or 'Easter Bunny' or 'Xenu' etc and it will remain equally as valid.

[_Doctor Steuss]

This story opens on Christmas Eve in the office of Scrooge, a miserly Victorian businessman. Opposed to Christmas as pointless frivolity, Scrooge refuses to make a contribution to Christmas charities, begrudges his employee Bob Cratchit a holiday on Christmas day, and rejects his nephew’s Christmas greeting with the now-famous phrase “Bah! Humbug!”

Returning to his lonely and desolate dwelling, Scrooge is confronted by the ghost of Jacob Marley, his former partner, who promises that he will be visited by three spirits. The first of these, the Ghost of Christmas Past, shows Scrooge scenes from his lonely boyhood at boarding school; from the lively and festive Christmas celebration of Mr. Fezziwig, the man to whom Scrooge had been apprenticed; and of his final encounter with his fiancée, who releases him from their engagement because she realizes that he already loves money more than he loves her.

'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'

'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'

'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol

It would seem that you simply do not understand 19th century literary style or have never read the book with any understanding. I suggest that YOU follow your own suggestion.

Authors and sources deserve attribution.

http://www.enotes.com/topics/christmas- ... 89900078-1

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The fact remains, that you exist because God created. And both you and I exist personally as a direct end result of sin entering into God's creation thousands of years ago. This of course God knew would occur, which is why the Bible reveals that God foreknew and predestined. God allowed the Fall for His own divine purpose. And the simple fact is that NOTHING can fully comprehend GOD. That is because He is GOD. So GOD wants us to think, but even in eternity, I believe that the total nature of GOD will be beyond the comprehension of everything!

Hello Little Nipper,

You're in a bit of a pickle here LN. You admit no one can comprehend God, and if we can't comprehend God then every interpretation of God is valid because He's unknowable. You can lean on the Bible to help you comprehend God, but the biblical writers and editors fall in the same trap of not comprehending God so they wrote and edited out of ignorance, and left us with nothing more than their suppositions.

You're doing your best to represent what you think is God's will, but since you yourself state God is unknowable you're simply asserting something without any proof or verifiable knowledge. You're winging it.

This is not a compelling argument for God, his nature (since you yourself just stated we'll never comprehend His nature the assertion that He's triune is simply a supposition based off other people's suppositions), and we're left with the simple truth the redemption-story is nonsensical and irrelevant to the human condition.

V/R
Doc

[_LittleNipper]

The fact remains, that you exist because God created.

That's not a fact, it's a belief.

And both you and I exist personally as a direct end result of sin entering into God's creation thousands of years ago.

Another belief.

This of course God knew would occur, which is why the Bible reveals that God foreknew and predestined.

The Bible is not a science manual. It's a collection of anonymous myths and legends.

God allowed the Fall for His own divine purpose. And the simple fact is that NOTHING can fully comprehend GOD. That is because He is GOD. So GOD wants us to think, but even in eternity, I believe that the total nature of GOD will be beyond the comprehension of everything!

In the post above change the word 'God' for the word 'Zeuss' or 'Easter Bunny' or 'Xenu' etc and it will remain equally as valid.

The Theory of Evolution --- which has all species evolving from one spontaneously "natural event," is a belief and not provable. It cannot be tested and as such cannot honestly be considered true science. Conjecture is not science. I can pray to God and find answers and have needs fulfilled/met. Such events are mathematically extremely unlikely the result of chance.

[_LittleNipper]

The fact remains, that you exist because God created. And both you and I exist personally as a direct end result of sin entering into God's creation thousands of years ago. This of course God knew would occur, which is why the Bible reveals that God foreknew and predestined. God allowed the Fall for His own divine purpose. And the simple fact is that NOTHING can fully comprehend GOD. That is because He is GOD. So GOD wants us to think, but even in eternity, I believe that the total nature of GOD will be beyond the comprehension of everything!

Hello Little Nipper,

You're in a bit of a pickle here LN. You admit no one can comprehend God, and if we can't comprehend God then every interpretation of God is valid because He's unknowable. You can lean on the Bible to help you comprehend God, but the biblical writers and editors fall in the same trap of not comprehending God so they wrote and edited out of ignorance, and left us with nothing more than their suppositions.

You're doing your best to represent what you think is God's will, but since you yourself state God is unknowable you're simply asserting something without any proof or verifiable knowledge. You're winging it.

This is not a compelling argument for God, his nature (since you yourself just stated we'll never comprehend His nature the assertion that He's triune is simply a supposition based off other people's suppositions), and we're left with the simple truth the redemption-story is nonsensical and irrelevant to the human condition.

V/R
Doc

God has given us His Word. That Word became flesh and dwelt among man. We cannot fully comprehend how Jesus the Christ can be the Only begotten Son of God and yet be equal with God. And yet the Bible clearly states this by His very title of Christ/Messiah. The Bible is not for personal interpretation but is revealed by the Holy Spirit --- who is also God. While no one has seen TOTAL GOD in all HIS glory and lived, man has seen Jesus and lived. This is beyond the scope of our understanding but not a faith given by GOD. In other words, I do not fully understand gravity, and yet I know that it exists, because I can let go of a ball and watch it drop --- if I trip I fall down.

[_LittleNipper]

This story opens on Christmas Eve in the office of Scrooge, a miserly Victorian businessman. Opposed to Christmas as pointless frivolity, Scrooge refuses to make a contribution to Christmas charities, begrudges his employee Bob Cratchit a holiday on Christmas day, and rejects his nephew’s Christmas greeting with the now-famous phrase “Bah! Humbug!”

Returning to his lonely and desolate dwelling, Scrooge is confronted by the ghost of Jacob Marley, his former partner, who promises that he will be visited by three spirits. The first of these, the Ghost of Christmas Past, shows Scrooge scenes from his lonely boyhood at boarding school; from the lively and festive Christmas celebration of Mr. Fezziwig, the man to whom Scrooge had been apprenticed; and of his final encounter with his fiancée, who releases him from their engagement because she realizes that he already loves money more than he loves her.

'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'

'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'

'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol

It would seem that you simply do not understand 19th century literary style or have never read the book with any understanding. I suggest that YOU follow your own suggestion.

Authors and sources deserve attribution.

http://www.enotes.com/topics/christmas- ... 89900078-1

And Charles Dickens was given full credit. He wrote the story --- I did not.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

God has given us His Word. That Word became flesh and dwelt among man. We cannot fully comprehend how Jesus the Christ can be the Only begotten Son of God and yet be equal with God. And yet the Bible clearly states this by His very title of Christ/Messiah. The Bible is not for personal interpretation but is revealed by the Holy Spirit --- who is also God. While no one has seen TOTAL GOD in all HIS glory and lived, man has seen Jesus and lived. This is beyond the scope of our understanding but not a faith given by GOD. In other words, I do not fully understand gravity, and yet I know that it exists, because I can let go of a ball and watch it drop --- if I trip I fall down.

Hi Little Nipper,

You'll have to do better than bearing your testimony. :) Please answer the following questions so I can follow your understanding of your god:

1) Are your three gods unified in effort, literally three different entities, but referred to as God (sort of like a corporation)?

2) If not, can you explain how the three are smooshed together, and are one literal god (which looks to be immediately contradictory)?

3) Can you explain, from your quoted statement, how all that was necessary if God exists also in the 4th dimension and thus sees & controls everything He designs from start to finish... In other words, what's the point of it all since God literally views everything all at once, is eternal, designed everything from start to finish, and thus controls absolutely the Total Narrative?

4) Did you watch the video starting at 5:07?

- Doc

[_LittleNipper]

God has given us His Word. That Word became flesh and dwelt among man. We cannot fully comprehend how Jesus the Christ can be the Only begotten Son of God and yet be equal with God. And yet the Bible clearly states this by His very title of Christ/Messiah. The Bible is not for personal interpretation but is revealed by the Holy Spirit --- who is also God. While no one has seen TOTAL GOD in all HIS glory and lived, man has seen Jesus and lived. This is beyond the scope of our understanding but not a faith given by GOD. In other words, I do not fully understand gravity, and yet I know that it exists, because I can let go of a ball and watch it drop --- if I trip I fall down.

Hi Little Nipper,

You'll have to do better than bearing your testimony. :) Please answer the following questions so I can follow your understanding of your god:

1) Are your three gods unified in effort, literally three different entities, but referred to as God (sort of like a corporation)?

2) If not, can you explain how the three are smooshed together, and are one literal god (which looks to be immediately contradictory)?

3) Can you explain, from your quoted statement, how all that was necessary if God exists also in the 4th dimension and thus sees & controls everything He designs from start to finish... In other words, what's the point of it all since God literally views everything all at once, is eternal, designed everything from start to finish, and thus controls absolutely the Total Narrative?

4) Did you watch the video starting at 5:07?

- Doc

There are 3 eternal persons existing as 1 essence known as God. God knows what will happen. Yet, He is determined to allow what will unfold, so that He can permit a select group of individuals He knows will come to have faith in Him to eternal reward, at the eternal expense of all others. And this occurs through both application of His Perfect and Permissive will.

[_ludwigm]

God knows what will happen.

And you know what he knows.
I know (I was certain) that this is the case.

Yet, He is determined to allow what will unfold, so that He can permit a select group of individuals He knows will come to have faith in Him to eternal reward, at the eternal expense of all others.

Ahem.
You are one of the selected group of individuals.

by the way
"selected group of individuals" or "chosen nation"
Measly argument --- one dime a dozen --- to hide the "god said me that you have to believe (and pay) me".