Greg Trimble to the Rescue!

[_Zadok]

OK boys. The thinking has been done, the discussion is over, the Book of Mormon has finally been proven 100% true without doubt. We can all go back to Church now and pay our back tithing!

http://www.gregtrimble.com/the-book-of-mormon-is-true/

[_Wraith]

Ah, the National Geographic article argument: "Great Surprise"—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

Fred W. Anson sums it up perfectly in the Facebook comments.

Mormons are desperately looking for archaeology to give them anything, just one tangible thing they can hold on to. So naturally when this National Geographic story came out the bees were buzzing, but the homework wasn't being done.

[_mentalgymnast]

OK boys. The thinking has been done, the discussion is over, the Book of Mormon has finally been proven 100% true without doubt. We can all go back to Church now and pay our back tithing!

http://www.gregtrimble.com/the-book-of-mormon-is-true/

I went straight to Alma 30 based on the topic I was speaking about…and as I started reading…all I could think about was this;

“If Joseph Smith somehow wrote this book…how could he have acquired this much wisdom?”

Yes, there are child prodigies. Yes, there are con-artists, frauds, and plagiarizers. But child prodigies, though they be smart…do not have wisdom. There is no immediate or intelligent substitute for experience and wisdom. You can fake a lot of things in life…but you can’t fake wisdom. You can’t dream it up on the spot or summon it without years, even decades of experience. As Richard G. Scott once said… “You cannot draw water from and empty well.” Having been a 20 year old once myself…20 years is not enough time to come up with a fraction of the wisdom that is found within the Book of Mormon.

Wisdom comes only in time…and Joseph Smith didn’t have the time, the resources, or the mentors to pull off a stunt like that without being found out by those that were closest to him. The timeless counsel and wholesome advice that is found in the Book of Mormon has never been displayed by any known prodigy that I know of to date.

Over the years I've considered the "wisdom" factor also. I think this fellow brings up an important point. Thanks for sharing the article.

Regards,
MG

[_cognitiveharmony]

OK boys. The thinking has been done, the discussion is over, the Book of Mormon has finally been proven 100% true without doubt. We can all go back to Church now and pay our back tithing!

http://www.gregtrimble.com/the-book-of-mormon-is-true/

I went straight to Alma 30 based on the topic I was speaking about…and as I started reading…all I could think about was this;

“If Joseph Smith somehow wrote this book…how could he have acquired this much wisdom?”

Yes, there are child prodigies. Yes, there are con-artists, frauds, and plagiarizers. But child prodigies, though they be smart…do not have wisdom. There is no immediate or intelligent substitute for experience and wisdom. You can fake a lot of things in life…but you can’t fake wisdom. You can’t dream it up on the spot or summon it without years, even decades of experience. As Richard G. Scott once said… “You cannot draw water from and empty well.” Having been a 20 year old once myself…20 years is not enough time to come up with a fraction of the wisdom that is found within the Book of Mormon.

Wisdom comes only in time…and Joseph Smith didn’t have the time, the resources, or the mentors to pull off a stunt like that without being found out by those that were closest to him. The timeless counsel and wholesome advice that is found in the Book of Mormon has never been displayed by any known prodigy that I know of to date.

Over the years I've considered the "wisdom" factor also. I think this fellow brings up an important point. Thanks for sharing the article.

Regards,
MG

I myself find very little wisdom or depth in the Book of Mormon so I'm curious as to what you're referring to? No amount of examination has brought forth anything more than sophomoric reasoning and one dimensional characters. It's about what I'd expect from a first attempt by someone in their early 20s.

[_Tobin]

Um, is it me or are Mormons really bad at dates? The remains being dated were from 24,000 years ago. Find some remains from 2,500 years ago in the Americas and then we'll talk. Until then, I see no evidence here that the Book of Mormon is true.

[_mentalgymnast]

I myself find very little wisdom or depth in the Book of Mormon so I'm curious as to what you're referring to? No amount of examination has brought forth anything more than sophomoric reasoning and one dimensional characters. It's about what I'd expect from a first attempt by someone in their early 20s.

This is not the forum to lay out the "wisdom factor" in the Book of Mormon...although there have been a bunch of books published that flesh thing out. The fact is, the Book of Mormon is a complex book with a "wisdom factor" that can't simply be brushed off as being non-existent.

Regards,
MG

[_Nightlion]

The crown jewel of Book of Mormon wisdom is its precise expertise in the gospel about how it gets done right and the evidence of having done so. It's second witness status is about this more than about Christ's visit to America. Yet even this Trimble fella seems to not realize this. His need to be reading the book constantly is a tell that it is not in his hesrt, his heart is stll in the world and he , like all Mormons , has failed to come into Christ as the gospel commands. But let's all celebrate his writing clarity by all means. A worldly prize indeed. Zion weeps.

[_Fence Sitter]

I myself find very little wisdom or depth in the Book of Mormon so I'm curious as to what you're referring to? No amount of examination has brought forth anything more than sophomoric reasoning and one dimensional characters. It's about what I'd expect from a first attempt by someone in their early 20s.

This is not the forum to lay out the "wisdom factor" in the Book of Mormon...although there have been a bunch of books published that flesh thing out. The fact is, the Book of Mormon is a complex book with a "wisdom factor" that can't simply be brushed off as being non-existent.

Regards,
MG

The fact is that Dianetics is a set of ideas and practices regarding the metaphysical relationship between the mind and body with a wisdom factor that can't simply be brushed off as being non-existent.

[_cognitiveharmony]

I myself find very little wisdom or depth in the Book of Mormon so I'm curious as to what you're referring to? No amount of examination has brought forth anything more than sophomoric reasoning and one dimensional characters. It's about what I'd expect from a first attempt by someone in their early 20s.

This is not the forum to lay out the "wisdom factor" in the Book of Mormon...although there have been a bunch of books published that flesh thing out. The fact is, the Book of Mormon is a complex book with a "wisdom factor" that can't simply be brushed off as being non-existent.

Regards,
MG

If you don't feel comfortable elaborating on it here then that's fine. What little wisdom that can be found in the book was lifted from other sources and those sources are often contradictory. So while I didn't say 'non-existent' as you did, I stand by what I did say which is that there is very little. Can you name even one tidbit of wisdom that Joseph Smith didn't lift directly from the Bible or from the contemporary moralists of his day? I doubt it.

[_mentalgymnast]

The fact is that Dianetics is a set of ideas and practices regarding the metaphysical relationship between the mind and body with a wisdom factor that can't simply be brushed off as being non-existent.

No one is arguing that the "wisdom factor" is not present in the writings of many thoughtful and insightful individuals. What is being argued is that, in the case of the Book of Mormon, you also must factor in the age of the "author" and the complexity of the narrative that this young author was able to integrate into the Book of Mormon narrative.

And that it can't simply be "brushed off".

I suppose that there are examples of "wisdom literature" out there written by youthful, and uneducated farmboys. And if so, we probably ought to give those writings a second look also...that is, if they claim to be scripture from God.

Regards,
MG