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DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:52 pm
by _Bazooka
On January 18th Doctor Daniel wrote...
I have absolutely no interest in becoming bogged down in the inevitable controversy that will swirl -- that is already swirling -- about John Dehlin and his impending disciplinary council.
Read more:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/#ixzz3PGrWZ63B...before adding:
But I’m sadly aware of the distortions that will surely appear in the media and across the Web about his case, and I think it worthwhile to call attention to some relevantly valuable things that have recently been and are still being posted — things that will, if they’re noticed, help to steer the unavoidable conversation in the direction of honesty and accuracy. Which would be refreshing.
Here are a couple of items that are very much worth a look:
“Satan and Satire: On the Narratives of Excommunication and ‘Persecution’”
“John Dehlin and Media Manipulation”
And later that same day adding a post titled...
“Dehlin’s Case is Not about Gay Rights”
Going on to add 24 hours later a post titled...
Not trying to convince anybody, of course!
...which opens with:
Still more dissent from the narrative that's being zealously promoted about John Dehlin in certain circles. I've written and posted very little of my own on the topic, and I don't intend to do so, but others have had some very interesting (and, I think, important) things to say about it.
So to be clear, despite three posts on the subject in 24 hours, DCP has absolutely no interest in getting involved in the whole Dehlin thing....
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:03 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
And now Mr. Peterson is officially a victim because someone took notice of his incessant need to not take notice of Mr. Dehlin. Surely, I mean surely, Mr. Peterson is on the cusp of some groundbreaking academics through his METI since he's been freed from his apologetic endeavors, and is working tirelessly to advance BYU's studies on ME text historicity!
I, for one, can't wait for the volumes of knowledge ready to spill forth any time now from this particular Professor of ME studies, and the Lead of the METI. BYU's academic reputation is at stake!
V/R
Doc Cam
ETA: BYU is an accredited academic institution, isn't it?
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:12 pm
by _Kishkumen
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:And now Mr. Peterson is officially a victim because someone took notice of his incessant need to not take notice of Mr. Dehlin. Surely, I mean surely, Mr. Peterson is on the cusp of some groundbreaking academics through his METI since he's been freed from his apologetic endeavors, and is working tirelessly to advance BYU's studies on ME text historicity!
I, for one, can't wait for the volumes of knowledge ready to spill forth any time now from this particular Professor of ME studies, and the Lead of the METI. BYU's academic reputation is at stake!
V/R
Doc Cam
ETA: BYU is an accredited academic institution, isn't it?
Did he not also leave METI?
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:20 pm
by _canpakes
Kishkumen wrote:
Did he not also leave METI?
A quick check of the page below lists Peterson as the Founding Editor, and links to another stating that he "currently serves as Editor-in-Chief and Director of the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative" -
http://meti.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/home/people/Yet there's this -
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... ewell.htmlDo the folks at METI just not update their site that often?
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:27 pm
by _Kishkumen
Well, that's confusing. If he has not left, then I think there is cause to be happy. I was bummed at the thought that DCP had left one of the very best things he has ever done.
METI is, in my opinion, DCP's real legacy. Forget the apologetics (although some of them make for very entertaining reading). METI is, as Thucydides might say, a
ktema eis aei ("a possession for all time").
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:44 pm
by _Chap
Kishkumen wrote:... If [DCP] has not left [The Middle Eastern Texts Initiative], then I think there is cause to be happy. I was bummed at the thought that DCP had left one of the very best things he has ever done.
METI is, in my opinion, DCP's real legacy. Forget the apologetics (although some of them make for very entertaining reading). METI is, as Thucydides might say, a ktema eis aei ("a possession for all time").
Absolutely. To those who wish to read Greek and Latin texts in the original with a convenient translation just across the page in case things get sticky, the Loeb Classical Library has always been a wonderful help.
It did seem that the METI would do something like that for texts in Arabic, which would have been marvelous.
DCP: If there is a God who gave you your particular combination of talents, surely one of his main reasons must have been the immense contribution you could make to historical and intercultural understanding by getting to work on METI?
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:44 pm
by _Everybody Wang Chung
I wish DCP would spend just a fraction of the time on METI that he spends blogging about John Dehlin, Feminists, Tea Party politics and the evils of Blair Hodges, The New MI, David Bokovoy and Gerald Bradford.
I don't think DCP will be involved with METI for much longer. It's too bad he's dropped the proverbial METI ball too.
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:54 pm
by _MrSimpleton
Kishkumen wrote:Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:And now Mr. Peterson is officially a victim because someone took notice of his incessant need to not take notice of Mr. Dehlin. Surely, I mean surely, Mr. Peterson is on the cusp of some groundbreaking academics through his METI since he's been freed from his apologetic endeavors, and is working tirelessly to advance BYU's studies on ME text historicity!
I, for one, can't wait for the volumes of knowledge ready to spill forth any time now from this particular Professor of ME studies, and the Lead of the METI. BYU's academic reputation is at stake!
V/R
Doc Cam
ETA: BYU is an accredited academic institution, isn't it?
Did he not also leave METI?
Daniel Peterson -
Sic Et Non (posted 23 days ago), Incidentally, for the record:
I think that the prospect of my being brought back to the Institute is vanishingly remote, and I have no particular aspiration, at this point, to return. My hands are full with other projects, some of them not yet announced and some of them quite exciting.
My one lasting personal regret is the total severing of my ties with the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, which I conceived and founded. That has done material harm to my career and to my professional interests, as well as to my ability to help the Church in certain very specific ways. And it was unnecessary.
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:57 pm
by _Chap
MrSimpleton wrote: ...
[DCP wrote:]
My one lasting personal regret is the total severing of my ties with the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, which I conceived and founded. That has done material harm to my career and to my professional interests, as well as to my ability to help the Church in certain very specific ways. And it was unnecessary.
BUT - didn't he resign from METI without anyone having pushed him? From what I recall of his email exchange with Bradford, there was no attempt to get him to leave METI on Bradford's side. (Why should there have been?)
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Re: DCP is absolutely not going to get drawn into Dehlin....
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:19 pm
by _Chap
Answering myself, I should have remembered that the emails are in this post:
viewtopic.php?p=865447#p865447DCP's email of June 14th included this:
Please note that I have not resigned as editor in chief of METI. I will not let you have that so easily. I founded it. It was entirely my idea. I brought it into the Institute. You'll have to explicitly fire me from that position in order to get rid of me altogether. And I won't take it lightly when you do.
I understand that some contract issues may be affected by my resignation as Director of Advancement. I trust that we can work those out in a civil manner. Pending my dismissal from METI, I will insist that I continue to be compensated as a director in my role, which I will now have more time for, as its editor in chief.
When was it ever stated that he either resigned or was fired from METI? This is still there on the Maxwell Institute web site:
MIDDLE EASTERN TEXTS INITIATIVE
Founding Editor
Daniel C. Peterson
Director
D. Morgan Davis
Associate Editor
Muhammad Eissa
It's even on his BYU web page:
http://asiane.byu.edu/directory/dcp6/Biography: Daniel C. Peterson, a Professor of Arabic, currently serves as Editor-in-Chief and Director of the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative. He received his PhD from the University of California, Los Angeles in 1990 and his BA from Brigham Young University in 1977.
What's going on here?