The Irrelevance of LDS Leaders, Part 2

[_Tobin]

Well, that isn't quite accurate. You aren't denying that you believe everyone that believes in intelligent life in outer space is delusional. Since I am part of that group, then it follows you believe I'm delusional. You have such a fascinating view of the universe. I think you could teach ostriches a thing or two.

The only thing that follows is your ignorance and lack of comprehension. But that is to be expected from someone who claims to have been visited by fantasy beings from another dimension.

So far I don't see you denying what I said. And as I've said before, I don't expect you to believe what I said I experienced. In fact, I've cautioned others not to since in fact it may have been a delusion. Now, do I believe it was a delusion or that I'm deluded? No. But since I believe I'm rational, I am certainly open to the possibility. I think that is a far better position than someone like you that lacks the intellectual curiosity to openly and honestly consider the existence of intelligent life outside our biosphere.

[_grindael]

Plus 100 points to Darth for an interesting post.

I would also like to give my TBM response: You can watch rated R movies and still get a temple recommend. You just might miss out on some bonus blessings. However, following prophetic counsel is always best.

No, that's not a TBM response. That's a cafeteria Mormon response. A TBM response is that you actually believe these guys are prophets, seers, and revelators, so you do what they say because you think what they say comes from God.

You're also still conceding the irrelevance of LDS leaders to their own church. There are a great many things besides avoiding rated R movies that LDS leaders have told church members to do or not do that are not temple recommend questions, either. Some examples would be not eating meat except in times of winter or famine, planting a garden, keeping a daily journal, not dating until you are 16, not wearing sandals to church if you are female, food storage, and genealogy. Since a person can get a temple recommend without doing any of these things, even though all of these items are "inspired counsel from the Bretheren," then self-professed faithful Mormons can and do disregard what they say. That's agreeing with the point of the OP.

Another question that is not on the temple recommend interview is whether you love your neighbor as yourself. Since a Mormon can get a temple recommend without affirmatively answering this question, or being asked at all, we can conclude this was just Jesus stating his opinion and speaking as a man, and we are therefore free to disregard it.

Now what a conscientious person with some kind of coherent sense of morality and theology would do would be to ask themselves why it's bad to have a cup of coffee, but acceptable to watch rated R movies, when both prohibitions come from the same source. (D&C 89, on its own terms, is not a commandment.) Readers of this thread will note that no such efforts are being made here or anywhere else.

[_cafe crema]

So far I don't see you denying what I said. And as I've said before, I don't expect you to believe what I said I experienced. In fact, I've cautioned others not to since in fact it may have been a delusion. Now, do I believe it was a delusion or that I'm deluded? No. But since I believe I'm rational, I am certainly open to the possibility. I think that is a far better position than someone like you that lacks the intellectual curiosity to openly and honestly consider the existence of intelligent life outside our biosphere.

Because of course any intelligent life outside our biosphere would be interested in Tobin out of all 7 billion people on the planet, and of utmost importance to them would be Tobin not having sex with his girlfriend. Hell any extraterrestrial would drop everything and rush hundreds of thousands of light years or cross dimensions to make sure that Tobin didn't fornicate.

Okay I'm done with Tobin now, I think.

[_canpakes]

Hi grindael!

You may have fallen into the Tobin trap. Tobin doesn't really care how you respond, only that you do respond. I've seen this sort of thing go on for 16 pages or more. I think it's best to not to respond. It just encourages him.

This is the benefit of intentionally driving Tobin to put you on ignore. You no longer have to wonder if he'll suddenly spring out of the weeds complaining about people's viewpoints that he interprets as complaints about other people's viewpoints.

(image generation intensifies)

[_malkie]

Remember ...

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[_SteelHead]

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

Just as much fun I suppose as seeing you get up and explain the beings from the 9th Dimension and Plan Tobin from Outerspace. Yup, all the information is right there. I have no problems with that, only with your name calling and then claiming injury when someone else calls you a hypocrite and delusional as you surely are.

Many respected scientists believe in the existence of intelligent life outside of our biosphere, but there you go again being silly and stating everyone that doesn't agree with you is simply delusional. And remind me again when I stated I was a historian or made any pretenses to be a scholar? Wait. I didn't. You are the one with these supposed aspirations. And as I've said, you will always be terrible at it because you are thoroughly dishonest, deceitful, disreputable, and have absolutely no respect for the facts or the truth.[/quote]

No one here has disputed the idea that intelligent life outside this planet but Tobin. He does it by putting words in people's mouth.

Note to Tobin: NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR DRUGGED UP COITUS INTERUPTUS ALIEN STORY.

Get it through your thick head.

[_Tator]

As of Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:55 pm Tobin has posted 6462 posts of delusional panda crap on this board.

[_Tobin]

No one here has disputed the idea that intelligent life outside this planet but Tobin. He does it by putting words in people's mouth.

Apparently grindael disputes it since he brought this up. I didn't.

Note to Tobin: NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR DRUGGED UP COITUS INTERUPTUS ALIEN STORY.
Get it through your thick head.

Note to K&J:

So far I don't see you denying what I said. And as I've said before, I don't expect you to believe what I said I experienced. In fact, I've cautioned others not to since in fact it may have been a delusion. Now, do I believe it was a delusion or that I'm deluded? No. But since I believe I'm rational, I am certainly open to the possibility. I think that is a far better position than someone like you that lacks the intellectual curiosity to openly and honestly consider the existence of intelligent life outside our biosphere.

Try actually reading the thread genius and responding to my actual positions instead of the ones in your head.

[_grindael]

Just as much fun I suppose as seeing you get up and explain the beings from the 9th Dimension and Plan Tobin from Outerspace. Yup, all the information is right there. I have no problems with that, only with your name calling and then claiming injury when someone else calls you a hypocrite and delusional as you surely are.

Many respected scientists believe in the existence of intelligent life outside of our biosphere, but there you go again being silly and stating everyone that doesn't agree with you is simply delusional. And remind me again when I stated I was a historian or made any pretenses to be a scholar? Wait. I didn't. You are the one with these supposed aspirations. And as I've said, you will always be terrible at it because you are thoroughly dishonest, deceitful, disreputable, and have absolutely no respect for the facts or the truth.

I tried but I'm not going to take Toby's BS.

This has nothing to do with the existence of intelligent life outside of our biosphere, only with the fantastical delusional beings from the 9th dimension and Plan Tobin from Outer Space.

How stupid do you have to be, to not be able to comprehend this. Pretty stupid. Welcome to Tobin's world.