The moral stature of God in LDS scripture

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_Sammy Jankins
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Re: The moral stature of God in LDS scripture

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Nightlion wrote:It appears to me that atheist lose touch entirely on the concept of God. If you want to question God on any point you cannot change him to a man's lowliness where you can grind his face in moral shame.


The problem I have with this answer is that we are being judged for eternity based on the knowledge we have here. If we are not capable of understanding God's morality, are we competent to stand trial?
If we cannot liken God unto ourselves, then we have no real frame of reference by which to judge the moral claims. Even the justice system created by man will often have provisions for those who cannot understand the nature of their crimes.
If man is truly incapable of understanding God's moral reasoning, if God ways are too mysterious, then God judging man no longer makes sense.
Imagine if we did the same:
Imagine you had a child who was obedient to you, and who was willing to follow you. Now imagine you erased his memory by some means. Also imagine that this a young child and apart from having his memory erased is actually incapable of understanding your morality. How much sense does it make to judge him for eternity for his decisions?

God has all power and will rest every soul in eternal bliss equal to their heart's desire. He does not consider us alive only in this world as he is aware of our eternal nature. Death in this world and even bad dying is of no moment to him as he notices even the sparrow's fall and comprehands all living, births and dying.


The "small moment" angle is a common LDS answer to the problem of evil. But according to LDS teachings this "small moment" is the basis for judging us for eternity. It's problematic to argue that this life is small and inconsequential while also teaching that everything hinges on this life.

Also timescale doesn't explain the questions posed by the OP. Even if small and inconsequential in the eternal scheme of things, the questions posed in the OP still holds.
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Re: The moral stature of God in LDS scripture

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SJ, you could not argue the point without making the same error of rationalizing God as if he were one of us.

Joseph Smith said somewhere that God views us as eternal beings. So there is only the eternal reality relevant with him. As our choices here alter our eternal prospects he is concerned and invested in assisting our progress.

Atheist reasoning about God is seriously compromised by faithlessness.
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Re: The moral stature of God in LDS scripture

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Water Dog wrote:
Darth J wrote:Good to know that a philosophical/evidential problem that theists have failed to satisfactorily answer in over two millenia is an elementary school argument.


No, you misunderstand. The subject isn't what's childish, but YOUR arguments dealing with it. I have no doubt Plantinga would agree.


Gestures don't cut it, Water Dog. Citing magic names doesn't do it either.

The arguments of atheists on the problem of evil have been cited clearly, here on the board and right under your nose. Try refuting them, here, and on the board. Can you manage that?
Zadok:
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: The moral stature of God in LDS scripture

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malkie wrote:
palerobber wrote:we are all bait in Mormon God's grand cosmic sexual predator sting. but he can't haul off the perp until after we've been raped.

could this be a novel solution to the problem of evil? if god didn't allow evil in the world he'd have nothing to pin on the baddies.

Would there even be baddies?

Or perhaps my favourite poet has it right:

Piet Hein wrote:That baddies are bad is undoubtedly true
However one studies the things that they do.
But what I find sad is how painfully few
have noticed that goodies are too.


you gotta have baddies. otherwise the righteous wouldn't be able to feel superior.
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