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Good evening Quasimodo, I have a question:

Quasimodo wrote:Since you are kind of new here, you should understand that Tobin does not play well with others. If you call him out on any of his many misstatements (I use that term very loosely) he will put you on ignore. I call it the Tobinignore award and many of our best posters are proud recipients.

It sounds like you may have been given this great honor. Congratulations!

I fear Tobin finds difficulty in admitting when he is wrong.
As can be seen from this latest set of interactions, he is obstinate to the point of intransigence.
Unnecessary really as all of us get things wrong from time to time.
Perhaps he is attempting to compensate for something....

My question: Is there some form of repentance process when placed in outer Tobinignore?

I have a question wrote:Good evening Quasimodo, I have a question:

Quasimodo wrote:Since you are kind of new here, you should understand that Tobin does not play well with others. If you call him out on any of his many misstatements (I use that term very loosely) he will put you on ignore. I call it the Tobinignore award and many of our best posters are proud recipients.

It sounds like you may have been given this great honor. Congratulations!

I fear Tobin finds difficulty in admitting when he is wrong.
As can be seen from this latest set of interactions, he is obstinate to the point of intransigence.
Unnecessary really as all of us get things wrong from time to time.
Perhaps he is attempting to compensate for something....

My question: Is there some form of repentance process when placed in outer Tobinignore?

Hard to say. There may be some sort of redemption, but why would you seek it? I've been living in Tobinignore for over a year now and I think I'm much the better for it. I'm also in some pretty great company.

Quasimodo wrote:Since you are kind of new here, you should understand that Tobin does not play well with others. If you call him out on any of his many misstatements (I use that term very loosely) he will put you on ignore. I call it the Tobinignore award and many of our best posters are proud recipients.

It sounds like you may have been given this great honor. Congratulations!

And what misstatement would that be Quasimodo? Anyone with a modicum of understanding of the scriptures knows that the Spirit of YHVH is YHVH himself. If you weren't such a damned idiot yourself, you would have known that and explained that to our dear ignoramus.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The problem for others in context of your truth claims is that your subjective experience isn't transferable in any sense, and it can't be quantified and therefore is useless to an objective non-believer in order to determine reliability vis a vis the truth claim.

Yes, my own personal experience is for me. My personal experience may encourage someone else to go out and have their own personal experience, but mine still remains strictly non-transferrable.

Additionally, anything that can be be objectively measured, or quantified to a reliable degree, has proven the Church's truth claims wholly false, or at the very least, useless.

Disagree here (of course). I will point out that even though I believe objective claims about the church have not been proven false, they generally have not been proven true, either.

The key for the believer then is to maintain the truth claims in the arena of vague assertions or reduce all truth claims to an irreducible complexity that eventually renders truth itself as unknowable or subjective.

This is one option, but I agree with you that it is a poor option. Another option might be to assume a data-poor environment (which is often a good assumption, in my mind). I can then have a reasonable trust in a truth claim that might have evidence stacked against it if I also have some other reason (subjective or objective) to believe the evidence might be faulty or incomplete for that particular claim.

Tobin wrote:Um, it's the Spirit of the Lord jackass. I'm sorry I ever spoke with you. You are a complete ignoramus and a f*****g idiot.

Tobin,

If your assertion is correct who is God talking about in verse 6?

- Doc

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:

Tobin wrote:Um, it's the Spirit of the Lord jackass. I'm sorry I ever spoke with you. You are a complete ignoramus and a f*****g idiot.

Tobin,

If your assertion is correct who is God talking about in verse 6?

- Doc

El or Elyon (the most high God). God uses many names JHVH, Elohim, El or Elyon, El Olam, El Shaddai, Adonai and so on. The spirit, or better wind, of God is God himself. Ruach JHVH in this case (the Spirit of the Lord). When the world is created, in Genesis it uses the Ruach Elohim (the Spirit of God). It is a mistaken view that these are somehow different Gods. The Jews all considered it the same God.

Tobin gets pissed, calls someone a "damned idiot" and takes his ball and goes home. How predictable.

cwald wrote:Tobin gets pissed, calls someone a "f*****g idiot" and takes his ball and goes home. How predictable.

I only get pissed when people stoop to the level of telling bald-faced lies that are patently false. At that point, I consider discussion with them pointless because they are incapable of telling or acknowledging the truth. You are such a person in fact. You are a liar.

Gorman wrote:Disagree here (of course). I will point out that even though I believe objective claims about the church have not been proven false, they generally have not been proven true, either.

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This is one option, but I agree with you that it is a poor option. Another option might be to assume a data-poor environment (which is often a good assumption, in my mind). I can then have a reasonable trust in a truth claim that might have evidence stacked against it if I also have some other reason (subjective or objective) to believe the evidence might be faulty or incomplete for that particular claim.

What Mormon truth claims do you have reasonable trust in despite the evidence being stacked against them?

V/R
Doc

Tobin wrote:

Quasimodo wrote:Since you are kind of new here, you should understand that Tobin does not play well with others. If you call him out on any of his many misstatements (I use that term very loosely) he will put you on ignore. I call it the Tobinignore award and many of our best posters are proud recipients.

It sounds like you may have been given this great honor. Congratulations!

And what misstatement would that be Quasimodo? Anyone with a modicum of understanding of the scriptures knows that the Spirit of YHVH is YHVH himself. If you weren't such a damned idiot yourself, you would have known that and explained that to our dear ignoramus.

Rats! I think I have lost my Tobinignore (and I worked so hard for it). Well, back to work.

Tobin, aren't Elohim (Heavenly Father) and the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) different entities in the LDS religion?

The official LDS web site says so:

lds.org wrote:What do Mormons believe about the Holy Ghost? Who is the Holy Ghost?
Official Answer
The Holy Ghost is a member of the Godhead, along with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost is one in purpose with the Father and the Son, but is a separate being. Through Joseph Smith, the Lord revealed:

The Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us. (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22)

I believe that I have a question was quite correct.