Bill Hamblin Gets Completely Outclassed By Professor Bokovoy

[_Themis]

And your response is then to question how we can trust anything that came from Joseph at all. I would say you're right.

Well you are the one now arguing that that God is a terrible communicator. If so, then nothing can be trusted. Why did Joseph say so many specific things about the papyri? If God can't communicate well then we cannot trust anything Joseph says on the matter. We cannot trust the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon, D&C, etc as being true in any way. Really terrible arguments to try and get around the facts showing Joseph was a fraud. He was a fraud before he even started Mormonism.

[_I have a question]

Well you are the one now arguing that that God is a terrible communicator.

Isn't that a given, seeing as how many differing religions think God's told them they are right?

[_Themis]

Smith claimed openly, and presumably (if he was not a liar) actually believed that he was turning into English the words on part of a collection of ancient Egyptian papyri that his followers had bought for him at a very high price.

You are forgetting God is a terrible communicator. He couldn't get the message across to Joseph the papyri wasn't about Abraham so don't waste everyone's money.

[_Themis]

Well you are the one now arguing that that God is a terrible communicator.

Isn't that a given, seeing as how many differing religions think God's told them they are right?

True. Maybe God has been terribly communicating with so many over the years. How does that help the chances Joseph got it right? It could really be L Ron Hubbard who was most accurate.

[_Themis]

Well you are the one now arguing that that God is a terrible communicator.

Maybe, or perhaps we're just terrible receivers.

LOL I have to admit I am laughing my ass of. Gorman is making the same desperate argument on another thread. I will tell you a secret. There is really no difference. Now it's just that God lacks the ability. I couldn't help but wonder why God couldn't use the finger method anymore, or something like it. These are desperate arguments to avoid the obvious fraud. That God us unable to communicate at a level two year olds could do much better at. REALLY?

Only if you need your hand held. By this logic you need to move over to Afghanistan and find a cave to live in, for all the knowledge you've been blessed with is owed to flawed men and their messy history. Nothing should be blindly trusted. Yet people get into elevators and drive across bridges every day.

It always a good idea to be able to use good analogies. We have plenty of communicating that is ok, decent, great. It has reliability. You are arguing for no reliability and terrible communicating as though God can't do better. A being who supposedly created the earth. Just keep digging though.

Yeah, Joseph couldn't read Egyptian, it's an important data point that should be acknowledged. But, whether fact or fiction, the Book of Abraham still conveys ideas that make sense out certain parts of Christian theology that previously didn't.

Depends on who you talk to. Everything in the Book of Abraham is easily explained by Joseph and his environment. I challenge anyone to provide one that cannot.

[_Chap]

... But, whether fact or fiction, the Book of Abraham still conveys ideas that make sense out certain parts of Christian theology that previously didn't.

Mysteriously discovered texts that solve modern problems about ancient religious cosmology in terms that just happen to suit the tastes of their day tend to be treated by cynical people as just a leetle bit suspicious ...

[_suniluni2]

And maybe I'm biased, but my observation is that while silliness comes from all sides of the spectrum, a lot more of it comes from the liberal side. Speaking about politics, the conservatives tend to be less emotional and more logically-based in their thinking. The liberals will have a purely emotional basis for their opinion and become truly upset.

Arguments based on religion and god tend to come from the right so I'll disagree on that basis alone. Should have just left it at "silliness comes from all sides of the spectrum".

[_Chap]

... And why? Who knows. Perhaps this spiritual confusion, the ESP that we used to have, is naturally blocked by our physical bodies. This is all a bunch of sci fi conjecture. ...

Please stop. You will do yourself a mischief.

[_Themis]

It's not that God can't do better, but that he chooses not to for good reason. If God is real, which that is the assumption we're starting with, then it depends on what "his" goals are. Why would God want to communicate with Joseph clearly?

LOL So now we are moving to God could communicate clearly but doesn't for some good unknown reason even though it makes no sense to us. I could make this argument for everything, making the argument good for nothing. Keep digging though.

[_Chap]

It's not that God can't do better, but that he chooses not to for good reason. If God is real, which that is the assumption we're starting with, then it depends on what "his" goals are. Why would God want to communicate with Joseph clearly?

LOL So now we are moving to God could communicate clearly but doesn't for some good unknown reason even though it makes no sense to us. I could make this argument for everything, making the argument good for nothing. Keep digging though.

Which poster was it that said 'God moves in mysterious, douchey ways?'.