Adult or Grown Up & Fowler's Stage 5

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

docCamn,

It's not your place to ask why I parent as I do and my son's age is none of your business. I find your questions about him creepy.

You are mistaken about Fowler. Read up before giving more strange comments.

Hello Ms. Amore,

Well, I find your absolute dismal parenting by pimping out your son to make a theological point predator-like. *shudders* ETA: You can't trot your family out into a public forum, and then mew about them being part of the topic. I was curious why in the world would you be discussing doctorate level philosophy with a kid.

How am I wrong about Dr. Fowler, and what was your point? by the way, I'll note that you've griped about the tone on this board in the past, but you just proved you're adversarial and passive-aggressive with your moaning. Please stick to the topic at hand, and dispense with the personal insults.

V/R
Doc

[_Gunnar]

You might try, for instance, eliminating expressions that suggest that anybody who disagrees with you is engaging in 'herd mentality' or 'arse kissing', two expressions I have seen you use that are hardly eirenic.

Thanks for adding yet another word to my vocabulary , though you may have misspelled it or used an acceptable though uncommon variant spelling of the word. When I tried to look it up, the closest thing I found was:

i•ren•ic‌ (aɪˈrɛn ɪk, aɪˈri nɪk) ‌also ‌‌i•ren′i•cal,‌

‌adj. ‌
tending to promote peace or reconciliation; peaceful or conciliatory.
[1860–65; < Greek ‌eirēnikós‌=‌eirḗn(ē)‌ peace + ‌-ikos‌ -ic]
‌i•ren′i•cal•ly,‌ ‌adv. ‌
‌Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

I presume this is the word you meant? It seems to fit the context of what you were saying.

ETA: I note, though, that the Greek word from which it was derived, as rendered in the Random House Dictionary, begins with "ei" instead of "i." Perhaps your spelling of it was influenced by your knowledge of its Greek etymology?

[_Chap]

Glad you like that word.

The Oxford English Dictionary entry is:

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/60013?red ... irenic#eid

eirenic, adj.

Quotations:

Pronunciation: /aɪˈriːnɪk/
Etymology: < Greek εἰρηνικός, < εἰρήνη peace.
Thesaurus »

Tending to or productive of peace. (See also irenic adj. and n.)
1885 Church Q. Rev. Jan. 283 The ‘eirenic’ efforts or aspirations of such divines.
1938 Sunday Times 13 Feb. 14/3 In view of the eirenic purpose of the Commission, this omission is the more regrettable.
1964 P. F. Anson Bishops at Large i. 37 The Bishop of Iona made good speed on his eirenic journey.

As you note, this spelling is closer to the Greek, so you can take your pick.

[_Amore]

docCamn,

It's not your place to ask why I parent as I do and my son's age is none of your business. I find your questions about him creepy.

You are mistaken about Fowler. Read up before giving more strange comments.

Hello Ms. Amore,

Well, I find your absolute dismal parenting by pimping out your son to make a theological point predator-like. *shudders* ETA: You can't trot your family out into a public forum, and then mew about them being part of the topic. I was curious why in the world would you be discussing doctorate level philosophy with a kid.

How am I wrong about Dr. Fowler, and what was your point? by the way, I'll note that you've griped about the tone on this board in the past, but you just proved you're adversarial and passive-aggressive with your moaning. Please stick to the topic at hand, and dispense with the personal insults.

V/R
Doc

I do regret bringing up my son to a board where people like you frequent.

Let this be a warning to me and others who have brought up their children on this forum, that although most people are mentally healthy, there are some sick people and it's best to err on the side of caution.

Fowler emphasized trust, not imagination (like you assumed) as the essence of faith.
So much for some adults on this forum being able to discuss Fowler's elementary idea about faith development.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I do regret bringing up my son to a board where people like you frequent.

As do I. I'm sorry we had to witness you pimping your family out to make a theological point. It was disgusting.

Let this be a warning to me and others who have brought up their children on this forum, that although most people are mentally healthy, there are some sick people and it's best to err on the side of caution.

I agree. Mentally sane people wouldn't discuss their family on a public forum, and then act skeezed out when someone was curious about their discussion with said family. That smacks of an un-diagnosed pathology.

Fowler emphasized trust, not imagination (like you assumed) as the essence of faith.

Well. Since you clearly don't know what in the Screw you're talking about, I'll let Dr. Fowler speak for himself (emphasis mine):

“In addition to the kind of critical reflection on one's previous assumptive or tacit system of values we saw Jack undertake, there must be, for Stage 4, a relocation of authority within the self. While others and their judgments will remain important to the Individuative-Reflective person, their expectations, advice and counsel will be submitted to an internal panel of experts who reserve the right to choose and who are prepared to take responsibility for their choices. I sometimes call this the emergence of the executive ego.

The two essential features of the emergence of Stage 4, then, are the critical distancing from one's previous assumptive value system and the emergence of the executive ego. . . .

We find that sometimes many persons complete half of this double movement, but do not complete the other.”

― James W. Fowler, Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning

“In German one of the terms for imagination is the compound word Einbildungskraft: literally, the "power ( Kraft)" of "forming ( Bildung)" into "one (Ein)." Here I want us to reflect about faith as a kind of imagination. Faith forms a way of seeing our everyday life in relation to holistic images of what we may call the ultimate environment. Human action always involves responses and initiatives. We shape our action (our responses and initiatives) in accordance with what we see to be going on. We seek to fit our actions into, or oppose them to, larger patterns of action and meaning. Faith, in its binding us to centers of value and power and in its triadic joining of us into communities of shared trusts and loyalties, gives forms and content to our imaging of an ultimate environment.”

― James W. Fowler, Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning

In other words, his Methodism is on full display, he believes in the development of a mature (emergent) mind (ego), idealizes that which he desires (faith), and then goes about striving for it (action).

So much for some adults on this forum being able to discuss Fowler's elementary idea about faith development.

So, basically you don't know what the Screw you're talking about, had no central point because you fundamentally don't understand psychology nor are you familiar with Methodism, and you thought you could crap out some psycho-babble vis a vis an imaginative conversation you apparently had with your doctoral thesis-level son.

Madame, if you don't want to be called out on your stupidity then I suggest you don't fire off the first dummy round.

V/R
Dr. Cameron, PhD, Cassius University

[_I have a question]

Fowler emphasized trust, not imagination (like you assumed) as the essence of faith.
So much for some adults on this forum being able to discuss Fowler's elementary idea about faith development.

You mean like the trust a son places in his father not to discuss personal conversations out on the internet with anonymous strangers?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Fowler emphasized trust, not imagination (like you assumed) as the essence of faith.
So much for some adults on this forum being able to discuss Fowler's elementary idea about faith development.

You mean like the trust a son places in his father not to discuss personal conversations out on the internet with anonymous strangers?

Is Amore male? If so, I'll make an edit. I thought for some reason Amore was female.

- Doc

[_I have a question]

Is Amore male? If so, I'll make an edit. I thought for some reason Amore was female.

- Doc

To be honest I was assuming male because the total lack of self awareness would seem more indicative of that gender. If he turns out to be she then it's even more staggering.

[_DrW]

I do regret bringing up my son to a board where people like you frequent.

As do I. I'm sorry we had to witness you pimping your family out to make a theological point. It was disgusting.

Let this be a warning to me and others who have brought up their children on this forum, that although most people are mentally healthy, there are some sick people and it's best to err on the side of caution.

I agree. Mentally sane people wouldn't discuss their family on a public forum, and then act skeezed out when someone was curious about their discussion with said family. That smacks of an un-diagnosed pathology.

Fowler emphasized trust, not imagination (like you assumed) as the essence of faith.

Well. Since you clearly don't know what in the Screw you're talking about, I'll let Dr. Fowler speak for himself (emphasis mine):

“In addition to the kind of critical reflection on one's previous assumptive or tacit system of values we saw Jack undertake, there must be, for Stage 4, a relocation of authority within the self. While others and their judgments will remain important to the Individuative-Reflective person, their expectations, advice and counsel will be submitted to an internal panel of experts who reserve the right to choose and who are prepared to take responsibility for their choices. I sometimes call this the emergence of the executive ego.

The two essential features of the emergence of Stage 4, then, are the critical distancing from one's previous assumptive value system and the emergence of the executive ego. . . .

We find that sometimes many persons complete half of this double movement, but do not complete the other.”

― James W. Fowler, Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning

“In German one of the terms for imagination is the compound word Einbildungskraft: literally, the "power ( Kraft)" of "forming ( Bildung)" into "one (Ein)." Here I want us to reflect about faith as a kind of imagination. Faith forms a way of seeing our everyday life in relation to holistic images of what we may call the ultimate environment. Human action always involves responses and initiatives. We shape our action (our responses and initiatives) in accordance with what we see to be going on. We seek to fit our actions into, or oppose them to, larger patterns of action and meaning. Faith, in its binding us to centers of value and power and in its triadic joining of us into communities of shared trusts and loyalties, gives forms and content to our imaging of an ultimate environment.”

― James W. Fowler, Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning

In other words, his Methodism is on full display, he believes in the development of a mature (emergent) mind (ego), idealizes that which he desires (faith), and then goes about striving for it (action).

So much for some adults on this forum being able to discuss Fowler's elementary idea about faith development.

So, basically you don't know what the Screw you're talking about, had no central point because you fundamentally don't understand psychology nor are you familiar with Methodism, and you thought you could crap out some psycho-babble vis a vis an imaginative conversation you apparently had with your doctoral thesis-level son.

Madame, if you don't want to be called out on your stupidity then I suggest you don't fire off the first dummy round.

V/R
Dr. Cameron, PhD, Cassius University

[_Gunnar]

Glad you like that word.

The Oxford English Dictionary entry is:

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/60013?red ... irenic#eid

eirenic, adj.

Quotations:

Pronunciation: /aɪˈriːnɪk/
Etymology: < Greek εἰρηνικός, < εἰρήνη peace.
Thesaurus »

Tending to or productive of peace. (See also irenic adj. and n.)
1885 Church Q. Rev. Jan. 283 The ‘eirenic’ efforts or aspirations of such divines.
1938 Sunday Times 13 Feb. 14/3 In view of the eirenic purpose of the Commission, this omission is the more regrettable.
1964 P. F. Anson Bishops at Large i. 37 The Bishop of Iona made good speed on his eirenic journey.

As you note, this spelling is closer to the Greek, so you can take your pick.

Thanks again! I judge the Oxford dictionary as probably at least as authoritative as the Random House Webster dictionary (and arguably even more so), though the fact that "irenic" has one less letter in it is a point in its favor.