Most Entertainers are Religious

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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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Amore wrote:Themis,
Is this "Mormon Stats" not "Mormon Discussions"?


eAllusion,
Whether someone affiliates religiously once a year or every week, they affiliate.
Most people see enough value in some religious affiliation to claim it.
Of course most thinking adults don't believe everything their religion's theology says, but they still see some redeeming value in it to claim affiliation.


Having spent a number of years in one of your "very Jewish" communities (Philadelphia, or more properly, the "Main Line" suburbs of Philadelphia, including Narberth and Bryn Mawr), it sounds like you don't know very much about secular Jewish culture. Wikipedia tells me that secular Jews are about 50% of the Jewish population in the U.S. I had numerous personal friends, neighbors, and coworkers who would openly identify as both atheist and Jewish, and would take issue with your characterization that their claiming to be Jews had anything at all to do with religious affiliation. They view their affiliation to be cultural/ethnic, not religious in the slightest.

Philadelphia is also a "very Catholic" city, and in my experience claiming affiliation with Catholicism in Philadelphia is as much trying to signal something about one's childhood and upbringing (i.e., connotations of strict upbringing, education in a Catholic school) as it is about signaling one's religious beliefs. Many people I know say they are Catholic, and then add, "by which I mean a recovering Catholic." They don't put that last part on surveys.

I'm not saying that these "recovering Catholics" are all atheists--I know a lot who at least are into Jesus enough to go to mass a few times a year, even though they'll argue with just about anything that comes out of the Pope's mouth. I also know some personally though who have told me they don't believe any of it and just keep going because "poor old grandma just couldn't take it if I told her I wasn't catholic anymore" (this came out a lot when people would learn I was originally from Utah, assume I was Mormon, and I'd tell them how I was raised in that tradition but no longer considered myself part of it).
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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Amore wrote:Themis,
Is this "Mormon Stats" not "Mormon Discussions"?


eAllusion,
Whether someone affiliates religiously once a year or every week, they affiliate.
Most people see enough value in some religious affiliation to claim it.
Of course most thinking adults don't believe everything their religion's theology says, but they still see some redeeming value in it to claim affiliation.


If, once a year, I attended a Church service in a number of differing religious faiths - Judaism, Baptist, Methodist, Mormon, Catholic, Muslim, Bhuddist etc do I affiliate with all those religions?

January - Judaism
February - FLDS
March - Muslim
April - Atheist
May - Mormon
June - well, you get the idea
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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I don't really understand what the purpose of this thread is. Is amore claiming that entertainers, specifically, affiliate with a religion to reap social and career benefits?

Does she believe that Jewish directors are more inclined to hire Jewish actors and support crew?

Does she believe that Catholic casting persons are more likely to hire Catholics?

Does she believe that it is more difficult for those not affiliated with any religion to get hired in Hollywood?

I'm just trying to figure out what we are supposed to divine from the data.
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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just me wrote:I don't really understand what the purpose of this thread is. Is amore claiming that entertainers, specifically, affiliate with a religion to reap social and career benefits?

Does she believe that Jewish directors are more inclined to hire Jewish actors and support crew?

Does she believe that Catholic casting persons are more likely to hire Catholics?

Does she believe that it is more difficult for those not affiliated with any religion to get hired in Hollywood?

I'm just trying to figure out what we are supposed to divine from the data.


I am also trying to figure out whether she considers those of us here who are critical of the church but at the same time are still members of the church, as actual members? By the standards of the OP poll cited I am a member, (and also by the loose standards used by the LDS Church itself - but that is another discussion) but by the standards Amore seems to use elsewhere to lump all critics together, I certainly would not be considered a believer.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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Well the reason I began this thread is mainly to make the point that many people are somehow even remotely affiliated religiously and have no obsessive need of disowning their religious connections.
At times, I get frustrated with aspects of our church, but I see some of the negativity on this forum as borderline neurotic.
I wanted to put religious affiliation in perspective.

And the reason I even realized the common trend of religious entertainers is because I've been interested in the perspectives, skills and artistic and technical approaches of people in the film industry and realized the majority I've studied so far have been Jewish.
I realize that many Jews (esp. western Jews) also subscribe to the Atheist tribe, but they do not deny their religious roots either, and some even wish they had been taught more of religious spiritual symbolism.

Bottom line is I'm happier since getting past anger of religious distortions and also getting past negative skeptisism, to appreciate the place of both doubt and faith.
I realize this is my perspective, still I hope more would see things similarly so I can relate more and we could have more productive discussions about the heart and soul.
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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Amore wrote:I realize this is my perspective, still I hope more would see things similarly so I can relate more and we could have more productive discussions about the heart and soul.


Thanks, Amore.
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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Maksutov wrote:
Amore wrote:I realize this is my perspective, still I hope more would see things similarly so I can relate more and we could have more productive discussions about the heart and soul.


Thanks, Amore.

Thank you. :)
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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I think it is a common desire that others would share our views or be as spiritual or enlightened as oneself.
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Re: Most Entertainers are Religious

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just me wrote:I think it is a common desire that others would share our views or be as spiritual or enlightened as oneself.


I've been lowering my expectations. Now I just don't want people to f**k with me. :lol: And so I come here. I know.
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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