LDS Church found guilty of misconduct. $4.2million damages.

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LDS Church found guilty of misconduct. $4.2million damages.

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.
A jury last Friday found the LDS Church liable for misconduct and negligence in the case of Jessica Cavalieri, 24, and her younger sister, Ashley, 19.
Attorney for the girls, Timothy Kosnoff, said at trial that the girls were abused in their home from 1988 to approximately 1994 and that Jessica Cavalieri told her bishop, Bruce Hatch, in 1994 about the alleged abuse and that Hatch did not report the abuse to law enforcement.

http://mormonchildabuse.blogspot.co.uk/ ... -case.html
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.


The Church's position in this appeal is that the Bishop is non-clergy and that a Church should not be responsible for the actions (or in this case the in-actions) of a non-clergy member. The flaw to this argument is that the Church has previously held to the position that bishops are clergy members, when it benefits the Church, such as in performing marriages, etc.... Also, it raises the question as to whether the Church has any clergy at all. Church attorneys might assert that bishops and above are simply business managers.
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moksha wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.


The Church's position in this appeal is that the Bishop is non-clergy and that a Church should not be responsible for the actions (or in this case the in-actions) of a non-clergy member. The flaw to this argument is that the Church has previously held to the position that bishops are clergy members, when it benefits the Church, such as in performing marriages, etc.... Also, it raises the question as to whether the Church has any clergy at all. Church attorneys might assert that bishops and above are simply business managers.



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They always want to have it both ways. What is it that Jesus said, "So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." All they do is hide behind whatever their money can buy them. And they are loathe to part with it, unless it advances the Corporation.
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what a strange case. Jesus.

i think it is horse crap to consider the clergy of the LDS church to be social workers. that is just ridiculous. maybe washington has gone overboard on the weed, because one would have to be quite stoned to think these dudes were acting as social workers, trained as social workers, or had anything that resembled social work in their volunteer roles in the church. to hell with that.

the church deserves to be sued for stupidity, and found liable, even if they did not screw up this case. any bishop that would not report abuse immediately, and would choose to meet with a child without another adult present, is insane. absolutely insane. insane enough to just hand out jury award checks from the corporation.
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moksha wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.


The Church's position in this appeal is that the Bishop is non-clergy and that a Church should not be responsible for the actions (or in this case the in-actions) of a non-clergy member. The flaw to this argument is that the Church has previously held to the position that bishops are clergy members, when it benefits the Church, such as in performing marriages, etc.... Also, it raises the question as to whether the Church has any clergy at all. Church attorneys might assert that bishops and above are simply business managers.


Wow. :sad: :exclaim:

Pretty low stuff. The Church, the bishop who was probably following church required reading material for Bishops, and the father (of course).
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moksha wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.


The Church's position in this appeal is that the Bishop is non-clergy and that a Church should not be responsible for the actions (or in this case the in-actions) of a non-clergy member. The flaw to this argument is that the Church has previously held to the position that bishops are clergy members, when it benefits the Church, such as in performing marriages, etc.... Also, it raises the question as to whether the Church has any clergy at all. Church attorneys might assert that bishops and above are simply business managers.


I'm surprised they manage to keep a straight face...
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moksha wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it plans to appeal a $4.2 million award decided on by a Washington jury in a case alleging an LDS bishop failed to report to law enforcement the sex abuse of two teenage girls at the hands of their stepfather.


The Church's position in this appeal is that the Bishop is non-clergy and that a Church should not be responsible for the actions (or in this case the in-actions) of a non-clergy member. The flaw to this argument is that the Church has previously held to the position that bishops are clergy members, when it benefits the Church, such as in performing marriages, etc.... Also, it raises the question as to whether the Church has any clergy at all. Church attorneys might assert that bishops and above are simply business managers.

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for what it's worth: this story is from 2005, and in 2007 the decision was partially overturned on appeal.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/award-reduced-in-mormon-church-abuse-case/
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Bret Ripley beat me to it.
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