Uchtdorf and McConkie on Grace.

[_RockSlider]

Of course pre-mortal beliefs (war in heaven etc.) aggravate this concept as one was "good" before birth, having passed the "first estate". Bad guys don't get to be babies.

And in first place, Ceeboo is accelerating into the corner, but no wait, coming up from the rear, Rock is challenging his lead, with only 3 laps to go!

God, please help me in this race today, that I might win!

[_I have a question]

I'd like you to copy and repost here, any evidence you see in my posts on this thread that indicates to you that I have a "strong need" to identify with Jersey.

Your board identity is Jersey Girl and on this and other threads you point out that your from Jersey as a kind of identifying fact to your personality. There's a number of examples where you make reference to it on this thread. It's obviously an important factor in how you self identify.

[_I have a question]

Bringing this question forward for your response, IHAQ.

You will see I tried taking it back to the beginning for clarity, but Ceeboo wasn't playing.

[_kairos]

Beloved MDB friends,

Before I begin my talk on Grace, I ask that you give me your undivided attention (DrW. please turn of all of your scientific devices - we don't want any of those gadgets making any distracting noises while I am speaking. Thank you.)


Grace is love that seeks you out when you have nothing to give in return. Grace is love coming at you that has nothing to do with you. Grace is being loved when you are unlovable…. The cliché definition of grace is “unconditional love.” It is a true cliché, for it is a good description of the thing. Let’s go a little further, though. Grace is a love that has nothing to do with you, the beloved. It has everything and only to do with the lover. Grace is irrational in the sense that it has nothing to do with weights and measures. It has nothing to do with my intrinsic qualities or so-called “gifts” (whatever they may be). It reflects a decision on the part of the giver, the one who loves, in relation to the receiver, the one who is loved, that negates any qualifications the receiver may personally hold…. Grace is one-way love.
Grace doesn’t make demands. It just gives. And from our vantage point, it always gives to the wrong person. We see this over and over again in the Gospels: Jesus is always giving to the wrong people—prostitutes, tax collectors, half-breeds. The most extravagant sinners of Jesus’s day receive his most compassionate welcome. Grace is a divine vulgarity that stands caution on its head. It refuses to play it safe and lay it up. Grace is recklessly generous, uncomfortably promiscuous. It doesn’t use sticks, carrots, or time cards. It doesn’t keep score. As Robert Capon puts it, “Grace works without requiring anything on our part. It’s not expensive. It’s not even cheap. It’s free.” It refuses to be controlled by our innate sense of fairness, reciprocity, and evenhandedness. It defies logic. It has nothing to do with earning, merit, or deservedness. It is opposed to what is owed. It doesn’t expect a return on investments. It is a liberating contradiction between what we deserve and what we get. Grace is unconditional acceptance given to an undeserving person by an unobligated giver.
It is one-way love.

My sermon is now over - Go in peace!

Your MDB Pastor - Ceeboo



This was William Graham on Grace

Ceeboo- I love what you wrote!
you can be my pastor anytime- if fact I believe you should give that talk in the next GC and turn it into a 'Ceeboo Evangeloical Crusade'-the altar call will bring 1000's to Christ!

k

[_Ceeboo]

Of course pre-mortal beliefs (war in heaven etc.) aggravate this concept as one was "good" before birth, having passed the "first estate". Bad guys don't get to be babies.

And in first place, Ceeboo is accelerating into the corner, but no wait, coming up from the rear, Rock is challenging his lead, with only 3 laps to go!

God, please help me in this race today, that I might win!

Yeah - I think of my Mormon friends who start their life on the bottom step of an enormously tall ladder - they spend the great majority of their life climbing and climbing and climbing until complete exhaustion - then they climb some more. Always believing that they - and they alone - can and will reach the top step of this ladder. This experience is stress filled and tiresome. It often creates personal bondage. If you stop climbing, you might feel like you have failed. You might feel like you didn't try hard enough. You might spend enormous amounts of time trying to fix your ladder or borrow the ladder of someone who claims to have reached the top step.

Then, after it's all over, you notice that an elevator was already made and available for all of us to get on - for free - the entire time we were climbing. All we had to do was simply get on!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Jersey Girl]

I'd like you to copy and repost here, any evidence you see in my posts on this thread that indicates to you that I have a "strong need" to identify with Jersey.

Your board identity is Jersey Girl and on this and other threads you point out that your from Jersey as a kind of identifying fact to your personality. There's a number of examples where you make reference to it on this thread. It's obviously an important factor in how you self identify.

I requested that you repost the references. I'd like you to do that for me so I can address them.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Kairos!

Ceeboo- I love what you wrote!

Thanks Brother!

you can be my pastor anytime- if fact I believe you should give that talk in the next GC and turn it into a 'Ceeboo Evangeloical Crusade'-the altar call will bring 1000's to Christ!

k

Make you a deal - If you can set it up and get me in - I'll do it!

Deal?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Jersey Girl]

Of course pre-mortal beliefs (war in heaven etc.) aggravate this concept as one was "good" before birth, having passed the "first estate". Bad guys don't get to be babies.

And in first place, Ceeboo is accelerating into the corner, but no wait, coming up from the rear, Rock is challenging his lead, with only 3 laps to go!

God, please help me in this race today, that I might win!

Yeah - I think of my Mormon friends who start their life on the bottom step of an enormously tall ladder - they spend the great majority of their life climbing and climbing and climbing until complete exhaustion - then they climb some more. Always believing that they - and they alone - can and will reach the top step of this ladder. This experience is stress filled and tiresome. It often creates personal bondage. If you stop climbing, you might feel like you have failed. You might feel like you didn't try hard enough. You might spend enormous amounts of time trying to fix your ladder or borrow the ladder of someone who claims to have reached the top step.

Then, after it's all over, you notice that an elevator was already made and available for all of us to get on - for free - the entire time we were climbing. All we had to do was simply get on!

Peace,
Ceeboo

When I think about the above, I immediately think about this:

Matthew 11

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

[_Jersey Girl]

Bringing this question forward for your response, IHAQ.

You will see I tried taking it back to the beginning for clarity, but Ceeboo wasn't playing.

Please read my posts for what they say to you. This is what I wrote:

A. "Ceeboo was exhorting us to work towards being good"

I didn't see that represented anywhere on the thread. IHAQ, can you quote the portion of Ceeboo's post that demonstrates the above?

You made the claim that ""Ceeboo was exhorting us to work towards being good". I'm asking you to support that claim, IHAQ.

[_Ceeboo]

When I think about the above, I immediately think about this:

Matthew 11

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Amen!

Praise The Lord!

The Spirit Is Moving In The MDB Today!

Peace,
Ceeboo