grindael wrote:So Mormon racism is like a pearl getting it's shine.
Mentalgymnast's problem is that he can't tell the difference between pearls and BS.
David Irving makes a similar argument when he says the Jews should be grateful to Adolf Hitler, without whom the modern state of Israel would never have come into existence.
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
1. "Blacks" were not put in the back of the Priesthood bus, those (no matter the color, including whites!!!) of African Lineage were. Blacks of various other lineages WERE given the Priesthood, from the Islands, parts of Central/South America, India, etc.
2. In the Old Testament ALL other Lineages other than Aarons were "banned" from the Priesthood. Was God a "racist" then also?
3. Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason GOD put the priesthood ban was because of the racism toward the African through much of the world but especially the U.S.?
Do you think it's just a "coincidence" that the ban ended the EXACT time Racism toward the African ended? I don't.
God thinks bigger than you people. And he doesn't do anything until man is ready for it. End of story. Racism by the Church itself had ZERO to do with the ban. A few negative or ethno-centrist or wrong doctrinal theory's by some in the Church in history are LIGHT YEARS less than any of the ACTUAL racism in the country, by religions, by people, etc.
Historical Context is everything... pre-ban lifting - JFK wouldn't have respected the church. - A founder of the Black Panthers wouldn't have joined the church. - The writer and director of "Roots" wouldn't have went to the Church and recieved an Honor from the Church for his work.
Anti-mormonism is re-writing history, into a false racist narrative one.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
ldsfaqs wrote: 3. Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason GOD put the priesthood ban was because of the racism toward the African through much of the world but especially the U.S.?
No! That never occurred to me!
by the way - Did you ever check out my sermon thread? I did sermon #12 for you.
grindael wrote:So Mormon racism is like a pearl getting it's shine.
Mentalgymnast's problem is that he can't tell the difference between pearls and BS.
David Irving makes a similar argument when he says the Jews should be grateful to Adolf Hitler, without whom the modern state of Israel would never have come into existence.
Yes, and the Haun's Mills Massacre simply made the surviving Mormons better since they got to move to Nauvoo! The Missourians did them a favor! What impeccable logic and astute reasoning!
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
ldsfaqs wrote: 1. "Blacks" were not put in the back of the Priesthood bus, those (no matter the color, including whites!!!) of African Lineage were. Blacks of various other lineages WERE given the Priesthood, from the Islands, parts of Central/South America, India, etc.
2. In the Old Testament ALL other Lineages other than Aarons were "banned" from the Priesthood. Was God a "racist" then also?
3. Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason GOD put the priesthood ban was because of the racism toward the African through much of the world but especially the U.S.?
Do you think it's just a "coincidence" that the ban ended the EXACT time Racism toward the African ended? I don't.
God thinks bigger than you people. And he doesn't do anything until man is ready for it. End of story. Racism by the Church itself had ZERO to do with the ban. A few negative or ethno-centrist or wrong doctrinal theory's by some in the Church in history are LIGHT YEARS less than any of the ACTUAL racism in the country, by religions, by people, etc.
Historical Context is everything... pre-ban lifting - JFK wouldn't have respected the church. - A founder of the Black Panthers wouldn't have joined the church. - The writer and director of "Roots" wouldn't have went to the Church and recieved an Honor from the Church for his work.
Anti-mormonism is re-writing history, into a false racist narrative one.
Racism in relation to blacks is if you're black.... Racists toward blacks don't care about a blacks lineage. Was the Church racist against Whites when they were banned also due to their African lineage?
No.
Don't do it.
Shut up your stupid keyboard, Jersey.
Don't.
I mean it this time.
Just shut it and let someone else do it.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
ldsfaqs wrote:...neo-Nazi fetishism...paranoid psychosis...byzantine conspiracism...apocalyptic delusions...right-wing insanity...creepy obsession with firearms...on probation for imitating a police officer...firm believer in the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy...owns a well-annotated copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...was abducted and anally probed by aliens...
Faqs, are you a truther?
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
mentalgymnast wrote:Question for you. I'm not sure if you believe in a creator/God. If not, this question is rather useless, I suppose. Anyway, the reality in front of our face this that there has been throughout human history a division line between human beings called 'race'. If God is behind His creation orchestrating what's going on, what do you think the purpose of division lines created by racial lineage is? No purpose? Some purpose? Purely evolutionary and God didn't have anything to do with it and just has to deal with it?
What are your thoughts? Is it possible, in your mind, that God would give certain light and knowledge to various groupings of humanity that is unique to those populations?
Regards, MG
In my opinion, the natural sciences explain tribal cultures and their evolution very well. It's when you add God into the mix that things get messy and can no longer be explained. You're simply contending that IF God exists (and you believe he does a priori) then he must have a reason for all of this nonsensical crap......of course you don't know what his reasoning actually is.
Simply put
No God = easy to understand and explain God = batshit crazy with no explanation
mentalgymnast wrote:I'm not willing to call God a racist. I'd have to give Him the benefit of a doubt that He would have a pretty good understanding of why He might segregate/separate/divide one group of people from another.
Regards, MG
MG do you believe the following to be the word of God?
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
Do you believe that God cursed those who had hardened their hearts against him and showed it by causing their skin to turn black?
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
