Enoch in Masonry

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Re: Enoch in Masonry

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Uncle Dale wrote:Some topics meriting further investigation:

1. The beginnings and initial spread of Royal Arch Freemasonry
in the Americas -- English colonies -- New England -- the first
members of the Cowdery family to join the Royal Arch, etc.
...

(Do an Internet search on "ibn Nephi" and Enoch)...



We might begin by asking why Lyman Cowdery was retained
in Royal Arch Masonry, after his brother was expelled from
that order in Vermont, before most of the family moved to
western New York? -- When the Country Lodge and City
Lodge split, which side did Lyman support? Was he a Masonic
Restorationist, who supported returning the Craft to its
"original" Adamic purity? Is that why Lyman ran for office
in Wayne County, NY in the late 1820s on the ticket of the
Anti-Masonic political party? Not to destroy Masonry, in the
wake of the William Morgan affair -- but anti-Masonic in
the sense of first being opposed to the Country Lodge faction,
and then opposed to the Country Lodge Morgan abductors.

In 1830-31 Lyman moved from Wayne Co. (Lyons-Arcadia)
and resided in Ontario Co. -- in Manchester township, just
south of "Gold Bible Hill." Was Lyman then a Masonic
restorationist, who would have been very interested in
applying Enoch's most ancient scriptures to the cause of
purifying and restoring original Adamic Masonry?

What books and other Masonic texts would Lyman have then
had access to? Did he share any of those materials with his
fellow Mason, Hyrum Smith? Hyrum moved to Kirtland in
1831 and Oliver Cowdery's brothers, Warren and Lyman,
eventually ended up there as well. Warren was a Mormon,
but Lyman's church membership was cloudy. He was in
Missouri, briefly, when Joseph Smith was jailed, and Oliver
had removed himself from the LDS Church. If he was then
briefly a Mormon, he soon quit the sect.

Lyman moved on to Wisconsin, within walking distance of
James J. Strang's Mormon sect's headquarters. He started
up a law practice there -- Oliver joined him. Both were blue
lodge members -- Lyman evidentially was still Royal Arch,
as well....

John Dee's interest in ancient writings, Enoch, Madoc, etc.
should be investigated? Robert Southy's Madoc epic may
have relied upon Dee, for some traditions -- including the
submersible barque that Merlin sailed to America in, and
which was illuminated inside by a glowing seer stone...

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You'd think these people would have learned from the Bible codes. The only difference is that there won't be enough interest in this stuff from any non TBM.
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Kishkumen wrote:These are marvelous questions, Uncle Dale. Each and every one of them. Would that I personally had time to pursue them at present.


Here's where to begin searching:

http://premormon.com/resources/r000/ibn-Nefi2a.jpg

The book is Athanasius Kircher's 1652-65 "Oedipus Aegyptiacus."
In an earlier scholarly (?) work on Coptic and its relationship to
Egyptian hieroglyphics translation, Kircher had fabricated a certain
Middle Ages Babylonian rabbi, named "ibn Nephi" (in Latin "Abbenephi")

Ibn Nephi purports to offer clues on how to translate Egyptian writing
into Hebrew, Arabic, etc. In "Oedipus Aegyptiacus," Kircher calls upon
his bogus rabbi, to offer information regarding the Book of Enoch --
including traditions about the giants (Nephilim) elucidated in that ancient
(Greek, not Ethiopian) pseudo-scripture.

So -- we might conclude that Kircher made up the "Nephi" name from
the Enochian Nephilim lore. But, probably the origins of the Babylonian
fabrication reach back to an actual, historical ibn Nefi, who first spread
Islamic conquest across north Africa. That ibn Nefi was really in Egypt
and would indeed have encountered hieroglyphic inscriptions.

Kircher thus probably had two sources for his invention of the name
"Nephi" -- the historical ibn Nefi and the Enochian Nephilim.

Add to that the "well of Nephi" in what is now greater Jerusalem,
and you have the earliest real Nephi sources.

How did all of this contribute to 1820s Mormonism?

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Gadianton wrote:You'd think these people would have learned from the Bible codes. The only difference is that there won't be enough interest in this stuff from any non TBM.


Isn't Uncle Dale's interest evidence against your argument here, Dean?
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Uncle Dale wrote:http://premormon.com/resources/r000/ibn-Nefi2a.jpg

The book is Athanasius Kircher's 1652-65 "Oedipus Aegyptiacus."
In an earlier scholarly (?) work on Coptic and its relationship to
Egyptian hieroglyphics translation, Kircher had fabricated a certain
Middle Ages Babylonian rabbi, named "ibn Nephi" (in Latin "Abbenephi")

Ibn Nephi purports to offer clues on how to translate Egyptian writing
into Hebrew, Arabic, etc. In "Oedipus Aegyptiacus," Kircher calls upon
his bogus rabbi, to offer information regarding the Book of Enoch --
including traditions about the giants (Nephilim) elucidated in that ancient
(Greek, not Ethiopian) pseudo-scripture.

So -- we might conclude that Kircher made up the "Nephi" name from
the Enochian Nephilim lore. But, probably the origins of the Babylonian
fabrication reach back to an actual, historical ibn Nefi, who first spread
Islamic conquest across north Africa. That ibn Nefi was really in Egypt
and would indeed have encountered hieroglyphic inscriptions.

Kircher thus probably had two sources for his invention of the name
"Nephi" -- the historical ibn Nefi and the Enochian Nephilim.

Add to that the "well of Nephi" in what is now greater Jerusalem,
and you have the earliest real Nephi sources.

How did all of this contribute to 1820s Mormonism?

UD


Thanks for the leads, Uncle Dale. This is very fascinating material indeed!
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Kishkumen wrote:
Gadianton wrote:You'd think these people would have learned from the Bible codes. The only difference is that there won't be enough interest in this stuff from any non TBM.


Isn't Uncle Dale's interest evidence against your argument here, Dean?



I actually posted on the wrong thread. I meant to post that on the 16th century/evidence thread.

For this thread: This is only proof that Satan is hard at work copying the true rites of the priesthood in Freemasonry. The Church should sue every masonic lodge on the planet.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Kishkumen wrote:...
Thanks for the leads, Uncle Dale. This is very fascinating material indeed!



It might be helpful, at this point, to review
a portion of Elder Reed C. Durham's address:
"Is There No Help For The Widow's Son?"

(as preserved in a copy made by the late Melvin B. Hogan):



>...in the pre-existence, there was a special Secret Doctrine that was
>given by Deity, and it was given down to the earth first to Adam.
>Adam then was to carefully guard this Secret Doctrine because it
>contained all the Mysteries. It contained the knowledge of God, and
>the name it contained was the sacred name of God. Adam then bestowed
>it ("the Secret Doctrine," M. B. Hogan note) upon his son, Seth,
>who guarded it very carefully - only among the inner circle of
>believers - and then it was handed down until it came to Enoch.
>
>And, Enoch is the central figure in the legend.
>
>It is with Enoch that the remarkable resemblance with Joseph Smith
>and Mormon history become disconcertingly clear. The major details
>of the legend are outlined as follows:
>
>Enoch, seventh in the line of patriarchs from Adam, was 25 years old
>when he received his call and vision.
>
>He was taken up in vision onto a hill called Moriah.

>
>In vision he saw a cavern in a hill, a sacred vault In the bowels
>of the earth. The cavity was symbolized as being a container for
>sacred treasures, like an holy ark, and it had a lid on it.
>
>In vision, Enoch perceived a shiny gold plate containing unknown
>engravings and symbols.
>
>He recognized the letter "M" upon the gold plate, which designated
>the name of the hill
>
>He further saw the sacred name of God, which had been lost to all
>mankind, and he was commissioned by Deity to preserve this knowledge.
>
>He foresaw that a flood would come to destroy all mankind. Therefore,
>he felt it was his duty to preserve the Sacred Mystery.
>
>He placed two pillars inside the hill:
> -- a. One of marble upon which, written in Egyptian hieroglyphics,
> were found the historical events connected with the tower of Babel,
>and
>
> -- b. One of brass, which contained the history of creation and the
>Secret Mysteries. These records were placed in the hill along with the
>treasure of the gold plate.
>
>This brass pillar had a metal ball on its top, within which were
>contained maps, and directions of the world and of the universe,
>and which also acted as a sort of oracle.
>
>Enoch then placed a stone lid, or slab, over the cavity into the hill.
>
>Enoch predicted that on the other side of the deluge an Israelitish
>descendant would discover anew the sacred buried treasure.
>
>As predicted after the flood, a great king, named Solomon, came to power
>and desired to build a sacred house for the in-dwelling of the divine
>presence.
>
>Solomon and his builders, the Masons, while building and excavating for
>the temple at Mt. Moriah, discovered the cavern and the sacred treasure.
>
>After three attempts to obtain the treasure, they were finally successful.
>Those Masons were very rejoiceful upon receiving these preserved Mysteries.
>
>But. three wicked men intervened and committed a horrible crime. They
>attempted to force one of the Masons, one of the faithful Masons who had
>discovered the treasure. Hiram Abif; or Hiram, the widow's son, to reveal
>the hiding (place) and the contents of the hidden treasure.
>
>He would not reveal his knowledge and therefore they killed him.
>
>While being slain, Hiram. with uplifted hands, cried out, "Oh Lord,
>My God, is there no help for the widow's son?" This has since become a
>general Masonic distress call.
>
>Then three loyal Masons, seeking revenge, pursued the three evil ones.
>
>One of the three faithful Masons overtook one of the arch-villains. He
>was asleep with his sword, or knife, nearby.
>
>The Mason slew the villain with his own knife by cutting off his head.
>
>In Masonic ceremonies, the words "strike off his head" were employed.
>
>Also in Masonic ceremonies, in revolutionary France, the re-enacting of
>the killing of this villain. the tyrant's name was King Philippe le Bel
>(Philip IV... who destroyed the Knights Templar. M. B. Hogan note)
>
>The loyal Mason was rewarded by King Solomon.
>
>The recovered treasures then became part of the temple treasury. It
>consisted of the brass records, the gold plate, the metal ball, the
>breast plate and the urim and thummim.
>
>Such is the Masonic legend of the Secret Doctrine, or the sacred
>treasure in the sacred hill, or the treasure of the widow's son.


In another of Hogan's unpublished paper, he provides this information:



>In lighting him [Joseph Smith] to bed one night [April
>1843] he showed me his garments and explained that they
>were such as the Lord made for Adam from skins, and gave
>me such ideas pertaining to endowments as he thought
>proper. He told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the
>apostate endowments, as sectarian religion.
>[B. F. Johnson autobiography]
>
>This was not a new thought. It has been discussed in
>varying degrees and from differing points of view since 1723
>when the Reverend James Anderson, D.D., introduced the theme
>in his historic _Constitutions_ of that year.


The relevant information from Anderson's 1723 edition (online)
is found in his opening remarks:


>Adam, our first Parent, created after the Image of God...
>must have had the Liberal Sciences, particularly Geometry,
>written on his Heart; for even since the Fall, we find the
>Christ. Principles of it in the Hearts of his Offspring,
>and which, in process of time, have been drawn forth into
>a convenient Method of Propositions...
>
>No doubt Adam taught his Sons Geometry, and the use of it,
>in the several Arts and Crafts convenient, at least, for those
>early Times; for Cain, we find, built a City, which he call’d
>Consecrated, or Dedicated, after the name of his eldest Son Enoch;
>and becoming the Prince of the one Half of Mankind, his Posterity
would ***IMITATE*** his royal Example...
>
>Nor can we suppose that Seth was less instructed, who being the
>Prince of the other Half of Mankind, and also the prime Cultivator
>of Astronomy, would take equal Care to teach Geometry and Masonry
>to his Offspring, who had also the mighty Advantage of Adam's living
>among them. *
>
>...Noah, and his three Sons, Japhet, Shem, and Ham, all Masons true,
>brought with them over the Flood, the Traditions and Arts of the
>Ante-deluvians, and amply communicated them to their growing Offspring...
>
>... {Freemasonry] was especially preserved in Shinar and Assyria, where
>Nimrod, the Founder of that Monarchy, after the Dispersion, built many
>splendid Cities, as Ereck, Accad, and Calneh, in Shinar; from whence
>afterwards he went forth into Assyria, and built Niniveh...
>
>And, no doubt, the Royal Art was brought down to Egypt by Mitzraim,
>the second Son of Ham, about six Years after the Confusion [of tongues]
>at Babel, and after the A. M. Flood 160 Years, when he led thither his
>Colony... Edifices of that Country, and particularly the famous Pyramids,
>demonstrate the early Taste and Genius of that ancient Kingdom....
>
>And surely the fair and gallant Posterity of Japhet, (the eldest Son
>of Noah) even such as travell'd into the Isles of the Gentiles, must
>have been equally skill'd in Geometry and Masonry; though' we know little
>of their Transactions and mighty Works, until their original Knowledge
>was almost lost by the Havock of War...

Note that in Anderson's version of primorial history, the "Enoch" who
transmits an IMITATED (my emphasis) version of Freemasonry on down to
the Assyrians and Egyptians, is NOT the 7th generation descendant of
Adam, who is so lauded and honored in modern Masonry. Contrarily, THAT
other Enoch seemingly transmits a perverted vesion of the SECRET LORE
down through his lineage.

The TRUE MASONRY is passed down through Seth, Enoch, and Noah --
though it too became perverted and apostate in later ages.

Enoch's True Masonry is carried to the "Isles of the Gentiles" by
some of Noah's descendants -- and where those "Isles" began and
ended, is left totally obscure. -- Perhaps even to the Americas.
At any rate, the history of Masonry's spread so far afield from
Noah's landing spot on Ararat has been "ALMOST LOST" due to the
consequences of "WAR" among the apostate Masonic brethren residing
amongst the "Isles of the Gentiles."

NOW -- FOR THE Mormon VERSION OF THINGS:

1. The great Patriarch Enoch lived in the Americas, where the
original Garden of Eden was located.

2. This Enoch wrote down the original sacred scriptures -- lost
to the world at the time of Noah's Flood (unless Noah happened
to have carried a copy of the Book of Enoch with him on the Ark).

3. This Enoch and his Holy City of archaic Christians was lifted
into the Heavens -- and thus Enoch never died. He will presumably
still be residing in that celestial Zion when it descendsa to
earth, as the New Jerusalem, in Jackson County, Missouri.

4. Enoch's Secret Mysteries were re-discovered by Solomon in the
Old World land of Palestine --- but what about America (remember,
that in the Mormon version, Enoch resided in North America)?

5. Whatever truth might be preserved by the Freemasons, dating
back to the era of Solomon's Temple, thus cannot be the FULLNESS
OF THE MASONIC GOSPEL, as practiced by the living Enoch, who is
presumably the never-dying Prophet of the Celestial Zion.

6. Even the basic truths known to Solomon, Hiram Abiff, Jesus,
Jacques de Molay, etc., have become apostate perversions in
recent ages. Freemasonry thus requires a modern restoration.

7. Since Freemasonry began in the Americas and was developed
there -- and its secrets written down there by Enoch -- it will
be in America that the True Masonry will be Restored in these,
the Latter Days.


Recall now, what President Smith said to Elder Johnson:

"his garments...were such as the Lord made for Adam
from skins... [he] gave... such ideas pertaining to
endowments as he thought proper... Freemasonry, as
at present, [just as much] apostate endowments, as
sectarian religion [is an apostate gospel]...

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a ball that contained maps....

The liahona.

The recovered treasures then became part of the temple treasury. It consisted of the brass records, the gold plate, the metal ball, the breast plate and the urim and thummim.

We just need the sword that was used to chop of that dudes head.
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just me wrote:a ball that contained maps....

The liahona.

Excellent eye, just me.
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Kishkumen wrote:
just me wrote:a ball that contained maps....

The liahona.

Excellent eye, just me.

The Book of Mormon's liahona was derived from several different sources -- by a writer who understood that in Lehi's day and age, there were no magnetic mariners' compasses. But the liahona is more than just a mechanical direction-finder.

It is delivered to the sleeping Lehites in their camp, and is thus discovered as a miraculous divine gift -- to be shared by a wandering party of migrants, which has already broken into two opposing factions.

This scenario appears in Clavigerio's re-telling of the Aztec wanderings from Aztlan to the promised land in the Valley of Mexico. Montezuma supposedly related this episode to Cortez. The Aztec wanderers do not receive a liahona, but the story is so similar to the Book of Mormon narrative that at least one LDS apologist has tried to argue that the Aztecs preserved a distorted tradition of the divine gift of the liahona.

The murder of Laban certainly has parallels with the Enoch lore in Masonry, but it also shares parallels with stories in the Old Testament and its apocrypha. Whoever scripted the Laban murder, he was familiar with both Masonry and a wide range of biblical/classical lore.

Teancum's sneaking into the camp of the sleeping Lamanite enemy at night, to commit an assassination, shares story elements with Homer's epic and the with biblical King David narrative. But is is more clearly based upon an episode in one of the "Poems of Ossian," by James Macpherson. Since Ossian was fabricated ancient history, the Book of Mormon writer may have been implanting a subtle clue, as to the fictional nature of Teancum's stratagem. Solomon Spalding also copied his parallel fictional account from Macpherson. The Teancum episode probably also overlaps some arcane Masonic lore -- but I've not looked into that.

We see, from what I quoted from 1723 -- that the basic story of Enoch's hidden text, was already a part of the Masonic tradition, well before Royal Arch Masonry was concocted. So, a writer like Solomon Spalding (who stole from the Masonic lore for his own fictional discover of a hidden ancient text, in an underground repository) need not have known all the Royal Arch material regarding Enoch.

That legend was greatly elaborated and Christianized by the Royal Arch promoters -- but -- I think Spalding and the Book of Mormon writer(s) knew the later Enoch lore.

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