Re: Egyptian in America?
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:50 am
post on wrong thread - nevermind.
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bcuzbcuz wrote:I don't know enough about your posts to know if your writings are serious, in jest, or just plain BS.
But going from the symbols of the MicMac language representing the ideas of the Lord's prayer is total crap. To provide any claims worth their salt you must first show that the MicMac people had concepts of a father in heaven, of sin, daily bread, trespasses, evil, etc, etc.
I have lived amongst three different tribes on the west coast of Canada and the concept of sin came from the Catholic church. There was no such concept before the "holy fathers" started preaching about it.
Similarily, just a concept like counting things, attaching a number value to things, didn't exist prior to European priests and traders. One tribe elder explained it in the following manner. "You Europeans do stupid things like trying to count the stars. What a waste of energy. You count money, you count how many things you have. In past times we had a way of counting one, two and three of things but after that, the concept was 'enough or not enough'. A fisherman could catch 100 small fish which hardly amounted to anything, while another caught one large fish that amounted to far more food for his family. What mattered was whether you had caught enough or not enough. The actual number was a useless statement."
Europeans introduced the idea of counting, the priests introduced the concept of praying to forgive sins. How the Micmac could possibly have a written symbol that represented a thought they never had is beyond me.
Kishkumen wrote:hagoth7 wrote:If Joseph knew that Mi'kmaq existed, why would he have made no mention of the connection? Would'New Testament most early members of the church have eagerly appreciated news of ancient writing in North America? Are you suggesting that he intentionally left a connection that important unsaid, like an intriguing Easter egg hidden for later researchers to find? (Or would agreeing to that acknowledge some kind of prophetic intent?)
This makes little sense, hagoth7....
hagoth7 wrote:If Joseph and others actually knew of Mi'kmaq, wouldn't they publish the resemblance of Anthon "Caractors" to Mi'kmaq to substantiate their claims of Nephites inhabiting the ancient Americas?
Kishkumen wrote:bcuzbcuz wrote:I don't know enough about your posts to know if your writings are serious, in jest, or just plain BS.
But going from the symbols of the MicMac language representing the ideas of the Lord's prayer is total crap. To provide any claims worth their salt you must first show that the MicMac people had concepts of a father in heaven, of sin, daily bread, trespasses, evil, etc, etc.
I have lived amongst three different tribes on the west coast of Canada and the concept of sin came from the Catholic church. There was no such concept before the "holy fathers" started preaching about it.
Similarily, just a concept like counting things, attaching a number value to things, didn't exist prior to European priests and traders. One tribe elder explained it in the following manner. "You Europeans do stupid things like trying to count the stars. What a waste of energy. You count money, you count how many things you have. In past times we had a way of counting one, two and three of things but after that, the concept was 'enough or not enough'. A fisherman could catch 100 small fish which hardly amounted to anything, while another caught one large fish that amounted to far more food for his family. What mattered was whether you had caught enough or not enough. The actual number was a useless statement."
Europeans introduced the idea of counting, the priests introduced the concept of praying to forgive sins. How the Micmac could possibly have a written symbol that represented a thought they never had is beyond me.
Hello, bcuzbcuz,
Thank you for sharing this valuable and enlightening information. I can assure you that I was not saying the Lord's Prayer is native to the Mi'kmaq or makes sense in terms of traditional tribal beliefs. All I was presenting was the possibility that white Europeans, beginning with Father LeClercq, might have mystified Mi'kmaq writing and appropriated it for their own purposes. These are European ways of constructing convenient Native American identities to suit Anglo-European agendas. I was, however, being deliberately cagey about my point, so I bear you no ill will for finding my little piece silly or offensive. I think that was part of my aim in writing this.
All best,
K