"They don't know who God is, they don't know who the Savior is, nor do they know who the Holy Ghost is"
That should play well at the Parliament of World Religions.
Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
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Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7051576
That should play well at the Parliament of World Religions.
That should play well at the Parliament of World Religions.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Re: Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
(I posted about this at the same time as you. Ooops. Can I delete my post?)
Elder Ballard's statement is interesting to me because I was taught this as a bic Mormon. I thought the church had softened this rhetoric in recent years.
Elder Ballard's statement is interesting to me because I was taught this as a bic Mormon. I thought the church had softened this rhetoric in recent years.
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annie wrote:(I posted about this at the same time as you. Ooops. Can I delete my post?)
Elder Ballard's statement is interesting to me because I was taught this as a bic Mormon. I thought the church had softened this rhetoric in recent years.
He is stating explicitly what Mormonism/Mormons believe and teach. But to hear an Apostle state it so unequivocally in a public, video taped speech, will have the PR department running for their play books. He just told everyone that the Pope doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to God. Brilliant!
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Re: Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
I have a question wrote:annie wrote:(I posted about this at the same time as you. Ooops. Can I delete my post?)
Elder Ballard's statement is interesting to me because I was taught this as a bic Mormon. I thought the church had softened this rhetoric in recent years.
He is stating explicitly what Mormonism/Mormons believe and teach. But to hear an Apostle state it so unequivocally in a public, video taped speech, will have the PR department running for their play books. He just told everyone that the Pope doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to God. Brilliant!
The rhetoric I heard was always softer than this, though. I have never heard anyone say that Catholics don't know God. It was more along the lines of, 'you're somewhat mistaken about the nature of God.'
Ballard's approach is very different from Hinckley's: "To people everywhere we simply say, ‘You bring with you all the good that you have, and let us add to it.' That is the principle on which we work."
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Re: Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
No chance that Ballard's remarks were prompted by the fact that Catholics all over the world are returning to their church, in large part because of the more liberal (and dare I say humanist) views and policies of Pope Francis, while defensive doubling down on fundamentalism by LDS Church leadership is having the opposite effect on Mormons.
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DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Re: Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
Hello W! 
In my mind - You are absolutely correct, Sir!
Peace,
Ceeboo
DrW wrote:No chance that Ballard's remarks were prompted by the fact that Catholics all over the world are returning to their church, in large part because of the more liberal (and dare I say humanist) views and policies of Pope Francis
In my mind - You are absolutely correct, Sir!
Peace,
Ceeboo
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Nothing is forgotten on the internet. These bigoted old farts better figure that out.
Oh, but I hope they don't figure it out. It's fun watching them show their true colors.
Oh, but I hope they don't figure it out. It's fun watching them show their true colors.
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pashaman wrote:Nothing is forgotten on the internet. These bigoted old farts better figure that out.
Oh, but I hope they don't figure it out. It's fun watching them show their true colors.
No kidding! Hasn't anyone explained to Internet to that idiot?
When I was on my Peruvian mission the Catholics would give handouts quoting Mormon leaders' thoughts on the Catholic church (and it wasn't pretty). Now? Now that everyone is getting more and more connected? The mishies are going to have a tough time when Mormon leadership is giving real time bulletin board material to Catholics.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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I have a question wrote:http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7051576"They don't know who God is, they don't know who the Savior is, nor do they know who the Holy Ghost is"
That should play well at the Parliament of World Religions.
What a derp.
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Re: Ballard publicly denounces Catholicism.
The real irony is that Brigham Young would have said the same thing to present-day Ballard:
He doesn't know who God is: Brigham would say, God is of course Adam who came down from Kolob with one of his wives, Eve, to start the human race. Not some being who looks remarkably like the mainstream Christian God when LDS talk to mainstream Christians, nor an ill-defined "I don't know if we preach that, I don't know if we believe that" kind of being when LDS talk to the media.
He doesn't know who the Savior is: Brigham would say, The savior is of course NOT Jehovah and really doesn't play much part in salvation because salvation is all about being sealed to the right people and making blood atonement for your sins. Not the being who sort of looks like the mainstream Christian Savior.
Nor does he know who the Holy Ghost is: Brigham would say, The Holy Ghost is definitely not the being who begets Jesus in the flesh. Adam/God definitely screwed Mary who was one of his wives. Not that pseudo mainstream Christian stuff Ballard preaches today which says that the Holy Ghost mysteriously begets Jesus.
He doesn't know who God is: Brigham would say, God is of course Adam who came down from Kolob with one of his wives, Eve, to start the human race. Not some being who looks remarkably like the mainstream Christian God when LDS talk to mainstream Christians, nor an ill-defined "I don't know if we preach that, I don't know if we believe that" kind of being when LDS talk to the media.
He doesn't know who the Savior is: Brigham would say, The savior is of course NOT Jehovah and really doesn't play much part in salvation because salvation is all about being sealed to the right people and making blood atonement for your sins. Not the being who sort of looks like the mainstream Christian Savior.
Nor does he know who the Holy Ghost is: Brigham would say, The Holy Ghost is definitely not the being who begets Jesus in the flesh. Adam/God definitely screwed Mary who was one of his wives. Not that pseudo mainstream Christian stuff Ballard preaches today which says that the Holy Ghost mysteriously begets Jesus.