Here's a little background. The degree of Mormon intermarriage in the elite leadership was the subject of D. Michael Quinn's Yale dissertation.
"The Mormon Hierarchy, 1832-1932: An American Elite." Ph.D. dissertation, Yale University, New Haven, Conn., 1976.
If you look into how Brigham Young ordained his sons apostles you can understand why a church wag said that leadership was "more about relation than revelation". Of course, it's true of all kinds of institutions and groups, but some Saints see it as affirmation that there are more spiritual bloodlines in the church. Oh brother.
Thanks for the post.
The label still doesn't sit well with me and I still think it was a poor choice to use it. (But - maybe that's just me?)
Here's a little background. The degree of Mormon intermarriage in the elite leadership was the subject of D. Michael Quinn's Yale dissertation.
"The Mormon Hierarchy, 1832-1932: An American Elite." Ph.D. dissertation, Yale University, New Haven, Conn., 1976.
If you look into how Brigham Young ordained his sons apostles you can understand why a church wag said that leadership was "more about relation than revelation". Of course, it's true of all kinds of institutions and groups, but some Saints see it as affirmation that there are more spiritual bloodlines in the church. Oh brother.
Thanks for the post.
The label still doesn't sit well with me and I still think it was a poor choice to use it. (But - maybe that's just me?)
Peace, Ceeboo
As with me also. Yes, there are family relationships between general authorities. To characterize it as incestuous in nature, however, is over the top. In my post to Dr. W that was my beef. Elder Ballard himself is in that mix. To call him or any of the current general authorities "incestuous" is a lie...unless it can be proven. Good luck with that.
As with me also. Yes, there are family relationships between general authorities. To characterize it as incestuous in nature, however, is over the top. In my post to Dr. W that was my beef. Elder Ballard himself is in that mix. To call him or any of the current general authorities "incestuous" is a lie...unless it can be proven. Good luck with that.
Regards, MG
From the context it's fairly obvious that the word incestuous was used according to it's other definition, it really is not uncommon to see the word used that way.
Mg, You do realize that when used the way DrW used the term, incestuous just means everyone is related and nepotism abounds?
Websters
designating or characterized by a relationship of exceptional closeness or interrelation, often one regarded as unproductive, unseemly, etc.: an incestuous community of expatriates Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/incestuou ... hzfS4Dz.99
And truly, they are all related, and they seem mostly unproductive. Prophets that do not prophecy, seers who do no see, and revelators sans revelation.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
And thanks for the wink and the beautiful flowers and card you sent me. I loved them! Especially the poem.
(I told my wife that they were from my mother!)
Peace, Ceeboo
We'll always have Panguitch.
Don't you think it's interesting that Joseph Smith was told in vision that "all the other churches were abominations" but then he and his family members went on and joined groups like the Methodists, Presbyterians and even Baptists? I think a lot of people don't like it when Mormons attack their religions. They wouldn't like being called "Anti-Christians" because Mormons claim that all others are in apostasy. Ballard was at best ungracious.
As per usual, MG's feigned indignation takes another thread off topic....
Any Catholics response should be "If a person is Mormon, they don't know their own history, they don't know if their doctrine is real or just one persons opinion and they have not the first clue where their money goes." Or "They believe in a God who had caramel relations with Joseph's wife to produce Jesus, they believe Jesus is Satans brother, and they rely on a Holy Ghost to find their lost car keys."
Ballard told 1.5 billion Catholics that they don't know what they're talking about. What a rude man.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
Don't you think it's interesting that Joseph Smith was told in vision that "all the other churches were abominations"
Interesting? Not really.
It is my opinion that Mormonism was built on division (and I think that division is still what keeps Mormonism alive today. Not only do I believe division is taught and encouraged, I believe that it is an intentional practice - used by design - to create an "us vs them" situation. And in my opinion, it works! )
I think a lot of people don't like it when Mormons attack their religions.
For the very very small percent of people who even know about Mormonism - or the attacks - I would agree. But, to be fair, 99% of people who are in "religions" don't have a single clue about Mormonism - let alone the attacks.
They wouldn't like being called "Anti-Christians" because Mormons claim that all others are in apostasy. Ballard was at best ungracious.
I don't know anything about Ballard - but I am a whole lot more comfortable with "ungracious" than I am with "incestuous."
Don't you think it's interesting that Joseph Smith was told in vision that "all the other churches were abominations"
Interesting? Not really.
It is my opinion that Mormonism was built on division (and I think that division is still what keeps Mormonism alive today. Not only do I believe division is taught and encouraged, I believe that it is an intentional practice - used by design - to create an "us vs them" situation. And in my opinion, it works! )
I think a lot of people don't like it when Mormons attack their religions.
For the very very small percent of people who even know about Mormonism - or the attacks - I would agree. But, to be fair, 99% of people who are in "religions" don't have a single clue about Mormonism - let alone the attacks.
They wouldn't like being called "Anti-Christians" because Mormons claim that all others are in apostasy. Ballard was at best ungracious.
I don't know anything about Ballard - but I am a whole lot more comfortable with "ungracious" than I am with "incestuous."
Peace, Ceeboo
We'll have a chance to see Ballard in action addressing the World Congress of Families this week. Maybe then we'll have more data.
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