Did Joseph ever spedify when & who the Templc ceremony came?

[_SuperDell]

Did Joseph Smith ever state just when he received the Temple ceremony?

Did he say who gave it to him?

"revelation" supposedly but it has been changed through the years. Why, if it was given from diety?

[_Tobin]

Uh, he made it up. It's his version of Masonic rituals.

[Guest]

Did Joseph Smith ever state just when he received the Temple ceremony?

Did he say who gave it to him?

"revelation" supposedly but it has been changed through the years. Why, if it was given from diety?

As I recall, it was claimed during his lifetime that he was restoring original masonry.

I happen to believe masonic rituals are a somewhat garbled relic of Nephite temple worship...that trace to Nephite colonists in ancient Europe. I've researched the topic to a considerable degree, and have done some writing about it.

So I believe the claim that he restored freemasonry is grounded and simply aligns with a restoration of aspects of ancient Nephite temple worship.

[_Dr. Shades]

I happen to believe masonic rituals are a somewhat garbled relic of Nephite temple worship...that trace to Nephite colonists in ancient Europe. I've researched the topic to a considerable degree, and done some writing about it.

Please share with us the sources you consulted when researching Nephite temple worship.

[_Chap]

I happen to believe masonic rituals are a somewhat garbled relic of Nephite temple worship...that trace to Nephite colonists in ancient Europe. I've researched the topic to a considerable degree, and done some writing about it.

Please share with us the sources you consulted when researching Nephite temple worship.

Thanks Dr. Shades. Let's get back to reading hagoth7 in expository weirdness mode as opposed to creepy Pyrrhonian skeptic mode ("Can you give me some evidence that WWII actually took place?").

Just to set the scene - Hagoth and his companions and imitators are supposed to have sailed around 55 BC. At that time, Judea was under the control of the Hasmonean kings, who ruled a semi-autonomous Jewish state. The temple of Jerusalem was in place, and would endure until its destruction in 70 AD after the revolt against Roman rule.

If and when Hagoth's party arrived, there would have been Jews all over the Roman world, as well as in the Greek world of the Eastern Mediterranean. Clearly they would have very soon welcomed their long-lost fellow Jews, and incorporated them into their religious institutions - including of course a deep respect for the Jerusalem temple. The idea that a tiny group of 'Nephites' would have insisted on and succeeded in maintaining quite different forms of worship - with temples of their own - is almost inconceivable.

But, according to hagoth7, that is apparently what they did, maintaining their tradition of temple worship as practiced back in America, and doing so with such success that they founded a tradition that lasted for many centuries thereafter to become Masonism as Joseph Smith knew it.

Goodness. I really ought to stop reading this stuff. But all that weirdness to come is terribly tempting ...

[_ludwigm]

Hehehe.

Or

[_hagoth7]

Hello Dr. Shades,

I happen to believe masonic rituals are a somewhat garbled relic of Nephite temple worship...that trace to Nephite colonists in ancient Europe. I've researched the topic to a considerable degree, and done some writing about it.

Please share with us the sources you consulted when researching Nephite temple worship.

Enough years have passed that I don't recall which sources I cited.
My chapter on freemasonry origins in the context of a Nephite diaspora was available online for quite some time, but it came down a few years back during a temporary personal setback. If a backup still exists, it's in storage with many of my things...and I don't know why my cloud backup service excluded that file. Surely it couldn't have been user error. ;0)

For those not wanting to wait until I find (or rebuild) that chapter, any online query of freemasonry and Comacine masters, freemasonry and collegium, and freemasonry and monasticism would bring up a considerable amount of related source material. Most here could likely read between the lines of such things to extrapolate how I happen to interpret the footprints in history there.

Thoughts?

[_Tobin]

hagoth7,

Were the Nephites Masons? And given that you believe Europeans are actually Nephites, were the Nephites the source of Masonry?

[_lostindc]

Enough years have passed that I don't recall which sources I cited.
My chapter on freemasonry origins in the context of a Nephite diaspora was available online for quite some time, but it came down a few years back during a temporary personal setback. If a backup still exists, it's in storage with many of my things...and I don't know why my cloud backup service excluded that file. Surely it couldn't have been user error. ;0)

For those not wanting to wait until I find (or rebuild) that chapter, any online query of freemasonry and Comacine masters, freemasonry and collegium, and freemasonry and monasticism would bring up a considerable amount of related source material. Most here could likely read between the lines of such things to extrapolate how I happen to interpret the footprints in history there.

Thoughts?

Cool

I am just thinking that Joseph made up a bunch of stuff and used the Masonic stuff for a temple ceremony. That seems like the most obvious answer to me.

[_SteelHead]

Can you trace the masonic ceremony back past the 14th century? On either continent?

Because if you can, you are in territory that the professional historians can't find.....