Glenn Beck condemns Oregon Protest by Mormon

[_mocnarf]

Having occupied a wildlife refuge near Burns, the leader of the dozen or so gun-toting protestors, Ammon Bundy, has alluded to his faith as justification for his actions. Bundy, who is Mormon, said God had told him to take a stand for the ranchers in a video posted Friday. On his radio program Tuesday, Glenn shared why he believes Bundy and his clan are in the wrong. “They are claiming that their faith and their scriptures are telling them that armed insurrection is the answer,” Glenn said. “And I believe they are gravely misguided.” Glenn shared a statement from the Mormon church condemning the actions of Bundy and his clan.
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[_Fence Sitter]

Because if anyone ought to know about being misguided, it would be Beck.

[_ldsfaqs]

Don't agree with Beck.... He's wrong on occasion.

Sometimes you need to stand against government tryranny with force in order to "check" the governments power, ideology, and actions.
This is such a case....

As an example, if those in the UK and Australia had stood against the government peacefully, but with their guns in mass, then the government would have had no choice but to back down from their complete fascism of banning guns.

Any government that infringes on basic human rights is necessary to destroy and be replaced as required.
That IS after all what the Revolutionary War was..... the infringment of rights, the overburdening hand of the government on peoples actions, treasure, etc.

[_Symmachus]

Don't agree with Beck.... He's wrong on occasion.

Sometimes you need to stand against government tryranny with force in order to "check" the governments power, ideology, and actions.
This is such a case....

As an example, if those in the UK and Australia had stood against the government peacefully, but with their guns in mass, then the government would have had no choice but to back down from their complete fascism of banning guns.

Any government that infringes on basic human rights is necessary to destroy and be replaced as required.
That IS after all what the Revolutionary War was..... the infringment of rights, the overburdening hand of the government on peoples actions, treasure, etc.

Reading your comments is like reading SAT questions. "One of these phrases is not like the others..."

[_Gadianton]

Sometimes you need to stand against government tryranny with force in order to "check" the governments power, ideology, and actions.
This is such a case....

again...

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints on January 4 issued a statement condemning the militia actions and stating, "While the disagreement occurring in Oregon about the use of federal lands is not a Church matter, Church leaders strongly condemn the armed seizure of the facility and are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. This armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis."[43][69] The church also released an excerpt from a 1992 speech by Dallin H. Oaks, a senior Mormon religious leader, criticizing the "excessive zeal" of "those patriots who are participating in or provisioning private armies and making private preparations for armed conflict."[43]

Looks like you are in apostasy, faqs.

[_Nomomo]

Faqs an apostate, who'd a thunk?

[_ldsfaqs]

I'm only in "apostasy" if I'm breaking doctrines......

A press release is not "doctrine".
The doctrines of God override personal opinions of individuals in the church.
I can't be in apostasy for the private uninformed opinions of someone in church leadership.
I can only be in apostasy for breaking actual doctrines of the church.

[_tapirrider]

I'm only in "apostasy" if I'm breaking doctrines......

A press release is not "doctrine".
The doctrines of God override personal opinions of individuals in the church.
I can't be in apostasy for the private uninformed opinions of someone in church leadership.
I can only be in apostasy for breaking actual doctrines of the church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6eTVZUWJg&t=0m56s

[_I have a question]

I'm only in "apostasy" if I'm breaking doctrines......

A press release is not "doctrine".
The doctrines of God override personal opinions of individuals in the church.
I can't be in apostasy for the private uninformed opinions of someone in church leadership.

The first thing I want to put on the record is this: Public Affairs does not have its own agenda, independent from the Brethren. I work on a daily basis with the member of the Twelve and the executive director. In addition to regular meetings twice a week with the member of the Twelve, we talk every day, often several times. With the executive director, I make presentations to the full Quorum of the Twelve monthly and receive direction from them. Sometimes a member of the staff with a particular specialty makes a presentation and receives counsel. I mention this because we sometimes have rocks thrown at us by some bloggers who love to postulate as to why Public Affairs does this or that. One blogger even referred to Public Affairs recently as a “rogue department,” which would be news to the Brethren. Newsflash: We don’t freelance.

Sadly, the insight and understanding of some who love to write volumes of commentary seems often in inverse proportion to the amount of words they write. Perhaps it’s simply easier to target Public Affairs because it seems less disrespectful than criticizing Church leaders. If so, we are honored to take those “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.” A thick skin is a prerequisite for Public Affairs employment. This makes me think of that wonderful verse in Acts, when the high priest and his council were attempting to intimidate Peter and the apostles and had them beaten up. Verse 41 of Acts 5 says: “And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.” And the next verse notes, almost parenthetically, “And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ” (Acts 5:41–42).

No member of the Public Affairs staff would last long if he or she issued a statement on behalf of the Church that had not been approved. Of course, we frequently suggest a response to a breaking issue, but the Brethren are not shy in editing or rejecting those statements or writing their own versions. In addition, the member of the Twelve who chairs the Public Affairs Committee will confer with other members of the Twelve or with the First Presidency on major issues. Our task is to find language that most accurately reflects what’s in the Brethren’s minds. There is no place for private agendas on the part of staff.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/f ... conference

ldsfaqs just called the official utterances of the Brethren "uninformed opinions".
Quality.

I can only be in apostasy for breaking actual doctrines of the church.

What 'actual doctrines of the Church' (and I'm gonna require official references to actual doctrines) did the apostates John Dehlin and Kate Kelly break?

[_Lemmie]

ldsfaqs just called the official utterances of the Brethren "uninformed opinions".
Quality.

Let's quote him in full context, you know he insists on that:

private uninformed opinions of someone in church leadership.

There. The 'Brethren' will be surprised to find out they are not only private and uninformed, but they are also just 'someone' in church leadership.

I think we're getting through to ldsfaqs on some level, don't you think? His Freudian slips are breaking through more and more often, lately.