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canpakes wrote:Only if your snark detector is missing a few diodes. ; )

"Two diodes short of a snark detector."

I love it.

consiglieri wrote:Oh, brother.

So, in support of Elder Bednar's proposition that it is a good thing to repeat the same things over and over again hundreds of time (and nothing else) during the course of an entire lifetime, he cites to Joseph Smith's visits from Moroni.

Which were four in number, not hundreds.

Which occurred in less than 24-hours, not over the course of a lifetime.

And where after each repetition of what preceded, new information was given not contained in the prior visit.

Even from a believing paradigm, this example doesn't exactly support his proposition.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

He does acknowledge several of your points:

“In each of the four appearances of Moroni to Joseph Smith, the core message was identical. But in a line upon line and precept upon precept pattern of revelation and learning, additional knowledge and instruction were given in the second, third, and fourth manifestations: a foretelling of future events, a personal warning, and a commandment. All of the messages were the same and were different in a pattern of repetitious teaching and learning,” Elder Bednar said.

Repetition of non-sense without critical thinking ..... definitely not brainwashing. http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/

Water Dog wrote:... the Trump phenomenon is a manifestation of a highly sophisticated electorate ...

You mean that the disillusion of this electorate with a politics that consists largely of soundbites, accompanied by the hugely amplified voices of a few very rich people who don't need to be elected, has led them to decide to destroy the current model by electing a candidate who acts like a deliberate parody? Like when back in the 60s a bunch of subversives (the Yippies) asked people to vote for Pigasus?



Yeah, that figures.

Trump actually verified what W wrote himself. He claimed that he actually could shoot someone (agreeing with what someone else had said about his followers) and they wouldn't be bothered by it. (They are "so loyal" says Donald Dump) http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/ ... y-support/

cinepro wrote:
He does acknowledge several of your points:

“In each of the four appearances of Moroni to Joseph Smith, the core message was identical. But in a line upon line and precept upon precept pattern of revelation and learning, additional knowledge and instruction were given in the second, third, and fourth manifestations: a foretelling of future events, a personal warning, and a commandment. All of the messages were the same and were different in a pattern of repetitious teaching and learning,” Elder Bednar said.

Thanks for pointing that out to me, Cinepro.

I didn't read the whole thing. My bad.

The fact that each message from Moroni added something to the last seems to undercut Elder Bednar's assertion that it constituted "a pattern of repetitious teaching and learning."

The problem, as I see it, is that nothing new is ever added in Elder Bednar's scenario.

Water Dog wrote:

Yeah, well, that certainly.

Or it could have been a pig, of course.

To add insult to injury, it now turns out (as admitted by the LDS Church in the recent collection of Essays) that much of the endlessly repeated information in the LDS lesson manuals was, in fact, misinformation. Given this reality, Water Dog would seem to be arguing that the inspired leaders of the LDS Church were justified in trying to instill discipline in the members by endless repetition of lies and half truths (along with a double dose of nonsense).

And now you do what they told ya

Brother Zach, so full of passion. I would have to agree with him. To paraphrase, no thank you, I won't do what you tell me.

As at West Point and MC boot camp the goal is to tear down the old personality and build a new obedient almost robotic human when it comes to loyalty and accomplishing the military mission. the cults do exactly the same thing- why do hare krishnas chant until they are mentally exhausted? why must the Mormon message of primary be continually repeated until Mormon men and women become akin to stepford wives?

you know the reason!

Why not from bedwetter bednar an adult exhortation to students to delve into Mormon history and theology and doctrine and search out answers to the deep questions the Mormon gospel raises, seek its truth and tell others why you believe?

you know the answer!

just enlightenin

k