"Powers of Discernment" and the Temple

[_I have a question]

More than anything else discernment allows one to sort out truth from the lie or myth.

So 'discernment' = research and critical thinking?
I have discerned that you are talking a load of confirmation bias.

[_Themis]

More than anything else discernment allows one to sort out truth from the lie or myth.

No it doesn't. You have already admitted you don't think discernment is coming from a divine source, but from yourself. You have not given any method to know if your interpretations of these sensations and thoughts are accurate. You have no way to know you are not just making up what you like.

[_Chap]

<Wonderful words of truth, all the fruit of discernment™>

I am so glad that I did not inadvertently silence Franktalk. I would not have liked to have felt responsible for the potentially horrendous consequences of stuffing a sock into his only outlet ... think of the pressure that could have built up in there if the ducts of discernment were blocked ...

[_Lemmie]

How on earth do you know this? Do you have a reference? Why do prophets have to give up free will?

The greatest prophet to come to the earth is Jesus. He stated that He was doing the will of the Father.

Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh_6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

As for my comments about the veil.

Joh_17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Joh_8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

It is pretty obvious that Jesus knew many things from the other side of the veil.

You didn't answer my question.

[_Franktalk]

You didn't answer my question.

If prophets were able to have a strong veil and free will they would lie like the rest of us. They would know no more than anyone else. They would not be able to pass along the message that Father gave them. The message would be on one side of the veil and the prophet would not have access to it. I thought this was too obvious to write down.

If a so called prophet had free will they would not be a prophet.

[_SteelHead]

Isn't denying individuals free will Satan's plan?

[_grindael]

If prophets were able to have a strong veil and free will they would lie like the rest of us. They would know no more than anyone else. They would not be able to pass along the message that Father gave them. The message would be on one side of the veil and the prophet would not have access to it. I thought this was too obvious to write down. If a so called prophet had free will they would not be a prophet.

About the PROPHET Moses:

God does not make a chosen people. That is a desire of men to be chosen. The elders of Israel wanted this and Moses gave it to them. Most people who read the Bible know that God does not make a chosen people. But they just can't seem to disagree with what Moses said. That is because they also want to be chosen. Drop your own desires and it becomes clear that Moses was not speaking the things of God but was speaking the desires of men.

Moses was God's PROPHET. How in the world is he then using his own "free will" to "speak the desires of men."

FRANKTALK = A little discernment equals CONFUSION.

YUP.

[_Franktalk]

Moses was God's PROPHET. How in the world is he then using his own "free will" to "speak the desires of men."

FRANKTALK = A little discernment equals CONFUSION.

YUP.

I can understand that this is confusing. Let me lay it out. A messenger from God (a prophet) is sent to the earth to give out a message. This message could be clear or it could be figurative. So the message is a thing of God. But along the way the people who are to receive the message may reject the message. They may prefer to believe their own desires as the truth. In the case of most prophets once they have their message rejected they are to parrot back to the men their own desires. So the message from God stops and the prophet then gives the people what they desire. The prophet gives them the desires of men. The prophet is still under the rules of God but the message has changed from God to man. It has to do with the free will of men. Men should be able to hear the truth. But if they wish to reject the truth then the prophet bends to the free will of the people. This is why the scriptures are filled with contradictions.

Take Isaiah chapter one. It has a bunch of truth in it. Very clearly written out. But who in religion takes it seriously? No one. But make up stuff about big flames in the throne in heaven and religious people lap it up. It is because they desire a heaven filled with smoke and flames.

Here is part of Chapter one.

Isa 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Isa 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Sodom and Gomorrah were long gone when Isaiah wrote this. This is for men acting as men in the world doing the things the natural man does. Look at what God says about the things that men do. In essence God hates: oblations, incense, new moons, sabbaths, assemblies, and appointed feast. Yet it seems the prophets are the ones who told the people to do this. It is my belief that the prophets were giving the people what they desired. People desire religion. Most of the world is stuck in religion. They see their desires in the scriptures and believe them. And when they read a section of truth they reject it. It comes down to free will. We are all free to believe the lie.

[_deacon blues]

The scriptures are NOT of private interpretation. 2nd Peter 1:20

[_Franktalk]

The scriptures are NOT of private interpretation. 2nd Peter 1:20

Really?

So most people say that Christ did his work on the cross. So most people are correct?

But there is this:

Joh_17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I guess Christ and I have our own interpretation that His work was done before the cross. I am not one swayed by a show of hands. Now just who should I believe? Christ or Peter? I choose Christ.