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So, Brethren, how the f*** did this happen?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/4494 ... tml?pg=all

"I have noted within the Church a difference in discernment, insight, conviction, and spirit
between those who know and love the Book of Mormon and those who do not. That book
is a great sifter." --Ezra Taft Benson("Jesus Christ--Gifts and Expectations," Ensign, Dec. 1988, 4)

Remember, Mormons preformed the FIRST Same Sex Marriage in the United States, before god, angles and these witnesses.

Seership seems to work with the same consistency as a magic 8 ball.

I don't know why you people think the Church's job is to be "lie detectors".
It's not.

The only "standard" the Church employ's is to take people at their word unless they have evidence and testimony otherwise.
So, what part of this is "lie detecting" to you people?

Discernment is a very specialized and unique gift, and it's entirely up to God to give it, and the person's ability to recieve it.
Further, you have no clue the amount of times the power of discernment works, but the leader can't do or say anything about it unless they have specific evidence. In other words, it would often be inappropriate for them to ask someone if they are a man, or ask a person if they are a child molester..... It's not like they are going to "admit it", and such amounts to an accusation without PROOF.

So, stop being bigots..... People "discern" all the time, and it doesn't just happen in the Church, yet there are many factors involved.

ldsfaqs wrote:Discernment is a very specialized and unique gift, and it's entirely up to God to give it, and the person's ability to recieve it.

My condolences to you, then.

ldsfaqs wrote:I don't know why you people think the Church's job is to be "lie detectors".
It's not.

The only "standard" the Church employ's is to take people at their word unless they have evidence and testimony otherwise.
So, what part of this is "lie detecting" to you people?

Discernment is a very specialized and unique gift, and it's entirely up to God to give it, and the person's ability to recieve it.
Further, you have no clue the amount of times the power of discernment works, but the leader can't do or say anything about it unless they have specific evidence. In other words, it would often be inappropriate for them to ask someone if they are a man, or ask a person if they are a child molester..... It's not like they are going to "admit it", and such amounts to an accusation without PROOF.

So, stop being bigots..... People "discern" all the time, and it doesn't just happen in the Church, yet there are many factors involved.

President David O. McKay promised every man who uses the priesthood in righteousness that he “will find his life sweetened, his discernment sharpened to decide quickly between right and wrong, his feelings tender and compassionate, yet his spirit strong and valiant in defense of right; he will find the priesthood a never failing source of happiness—a well of living water springing up unto eternal life” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay [2003], 116).

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-princ ... d?lang=eng

Jan 31, 2016 Just a few days ago...

ldsfaqs wrote:Since when were callings about picking the "perfect person"?

So, what does this "discern-o-meter" have to do with anything?
Callings are generally about contributing and improving oneself and others.

The "dicerning" is left up to God to judge when we all are dead, and the law when we are alive.

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Jersey Girl responds:

Jersey Girl wrote:
Knows not a thing about the Bible. So noted.

Today...

ldsfaqs wrote:I don't know why you people think the Church's job is to be "lie detectors".
It's not.

The only "standard" the Church employ's is to take people at their word unless they have evidence and testimony otherwise.
So, what part of this is "lie detecting" to you people?

Discernment is a very specialized and unique gift, and it's entirely up to God to give it, and the person's ability to recieve it.
Further, you have no clue the amount of times the power of discernment works, but the leader can't do or say anything about it unless they have specific evidence. In other words, it would often be inappropriate for them to ask someone if they are a man, or ask a person if they are a child molester..... It's not like they are going to "admit it", and such amounts to an accusation without PROOF.

So, stop being bigots..... People "discern" all the time, and it doesn't just happen in the Church, yet there are many factors involved.

Better.
:-)

If Jerald Tanner had more discernment of the truth of the sacred writings of the church than Spencer W. Kimball, it seems pretty clear the church has been in apostasy since at least that time. Kimball may have been wrong about the priesthood being given to blacks and GBH wrong about the Proclamation and any other guidance for the church in the last 40+ years. And that would also invalidate the apostles that were selected over that time since we should suspect the discernment that prompted their choosing.

My mission president told us that we could sure lie to him, but not to Jesus. I think that's the gold standard when it comes to discernment. You can fool mere mortals, but good luck trying to fool Jesus.