Elder Bednar quote about what to expect during judgement day

[_Gadianton]

This quote shows just how wicked the Brethren are. What he's saying is true, based on the way the corporate church runs and the way corporate America works.

When a baby was blessed in Church, I often remember the blessing including the language, "I bless you with a guilty conscience." Those babies become the guilt-ridden flock. The ones not getting that blessing compete for leadership. In your bishop interviews, you're not supposed to admit any wrongdoing. It doesn't matter if you've sinned, just ask Joseph Smith, but how how much self-confidence you have and your ability to cover it up.

Most church members I know who take it seriously wouldn't classify themselves as "comfortable" being around Jesus and God and TBM version of Joseph Smith because they feel too inadequate. Most church leaders feel as if they are just as good as Jesus if not better, so they're not going to stress it. They are going to be ready in their own minds. "judging yourselves" is the stupidest idea I've ever heard because ego-maniacs will be just fine and the good people will feel guilty. That's why Jesus is supposed to be the judge -- to make sure it's fair.

Let's say you're a church official and two MPs are candidates for being a GA. Let's say both are equally successful, but one is corrupt and a hidden closet of skeletons and the other is more or less a dupe who somehow made it that far. You don't know which is which, but who do you want on your team?

The clean guy, right?

Wrong.

Were Oliver Cowdery and others good humble saints?

What happens when the clean guy learns how corrupt the Church really is?

You want the guy who has experience dealing with sticky situations not just in representing himself, but his organization, and who will confidently take up the helm and be able to cover everything up he has to, and be able to live the life he wants to live so he won't want to quit. You want a guy who feels like he's worth a million bucks no matter what kind of crap he does. A guy who will mutually honor the "don't ask don't tell" rule with the other brethren.

So I'm pretty sure the interview process is designed to sniff out the clean ones.

[_Chap]

When a baby was blessed in Church, I often remember the blessing including the language, "I bless you with a guilty conscience."

I'm sorry, is this for real?

You mean people would actually proclaim that they were conferring a blessing on the baby that, in part at least, consisted in the person blessed feeling guilty?

Presumably the guilt was not supposed to kick in till after the age of 8 had been reached and the child became responsible for its actions. But even then .. if these are Christians of any colour at all, what did Jesus die for, according to them? So his people could suffer continual guilt?

[_Chap]

To show a more classically Christian view of guilt, consider this exchange:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=92286

Question:

Guilt After Confession?
How does one stop feeling guilty after confessing a mortal sin to a Priest?


Answer:

Actually, since you have been forgiven, by definition what you are feeling cannot be guilt. What you are feeling must be something else.

Realizing this is the first step.

So this means that what you ARE feeling is probably shame and regret. These are feelings that come from the disappointment you have with yourself, the disappointment others may have in you. You no doubt feel frustrated and/or angry because you cannot go back and change the past.

So pray for for the humility to accept your lack of perfection.

Pray for patience with those [who] place unreasonable expectations of perfection on you.

You cannot change the past but your regret about it may help motivate you in the future. Pray that you gain wisdom. Do what you can to rebuild any damaged relationships. This may or may not involve admitting any wrongdoing on your part.

God has forgiven you. Go and do likewise.

To be clear, I am not a Christian any more, or even a theist. But if Mormonism is about actually wanting to feel guilt, it is an even weirder variant of Christianity than I thought it was.

[_Dr. Shades]

"Have you ever wondered what the day of judgement will be like? [SNIP!] Not living the gospel is hard and it is joyful to live it."

Umm, . . . link?

[_deacon blues]

Our world is full of people who love those like themselves, who feel comfortable around those like themselves. (do not even sinners love their own families?) I picture heaven as being a person who can love and be comfortable around those who seem different than themselves. Yes, there is heaven on earth, and it is in the hearts and minds of those who love. In Luke 5:8 Peter says, "Lord, depart from me, for I am a sinful man." He turned out to be one that Jesus sent out as an apostle.

[_kairos]

To show a more classically Christian view of guilt, consider this exchange:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=92286

Question:

Guilt After Confession?
How does one stop feeling guilty after confessing a mortal sin to a Priest?


Answer:

Actually, since you have been forgiven, by definition what you are feeling cannot be guilt. What you are feeling must be something else.

Realizing this is the first step.

So this means that what you ARE feeling is probably shame and regret. These are feelings that come from the disappointment you have with yourself, the disappointment others may have in you. You no doubt feel frustrated and/or angry because you cannot go back and change the past.

So pray for for the humility to accept your lack of perfection.

Pray for patience with those [who] place unreasonable expectations of perfection on you.

You cannot change the past but your regret about it may help motivate you in the future. Pray that you gain wisdom. Do what you can to rebuild any damaged relationships. This may or may not involve admitting any wrongdoing on your part.

God has forgiven you. Go and do likewise.

To be clear, I am not a Christian any more, or even a theist. But if Mormonism is about actually wanting to feel guilt, it is an even weirder variant of Christianity than I thought it was.

Having partaken many times of the sacrament of reconciliation as a catholic I can tell you that there is a tremendous sense of relief after receiving the priest's" in persona Christi" absolution. you feel like a million dollars if you have even a tiny bit of faith in God's forgiveness through the priest. I have never met a man who said he felt guilty after absolution. now if sin was really grievous like adultery for years , the initial relief and feeling forgiven can turn to guilt if the guy goes and commits adultery soon after receiving the sacrament. he probably feels guilty for being such a selfish and weak bastard and poor husband and father-that is natural for that situation. but forgiveness again will bring relief again.

my son the Mormon bishop says he senses the relief from guilt and a feeling of forgiveness in a member when he assures the member his repentance is acceptable to God and he can go out feeling clean and start a new day in life.

guilt might also be associated with a sense that "my sin is too grave to be forgiven so easily" which is a false feeling.


just talkin about repentin

k