Love him or hate him, NewNameNoah is back with another video

[_Sanctorian]

Mike,

Thank you for your videos. I look forward to the day I can share them with my children. Side note, I had lunch with your bro in CO a few months back. Good guy.

[_Jersey Girl]

The man's having another identity crisis.

No, we're simply having a very difficult time with the site sending him error messages whenever he tries to make a post. So I've been asking him to try experimental posts using different accounts.

The problem hasn't been resolved yet. We're going to wait 'till tomorrow before trying again.

Maybe his IP is blocked.

Remember when the system went off the deep end not long ago? I think we were all getting error messages at the time. Maybe his accounts didn't survive it.

He's welcome to use my screen name. Everyone already thinks I'm nuts, he could ramp up public opinion on my behalf.

[_Dr. Shades]

Maybe his IP is blocked.

Nope. I made absolutely sure of that.

So if you see a brand-new account tomorrow and the person claims to be NewNameNoah, believe him.

[_Jersey Girl]

Maybe his IP is blocked.

Nope. I made absolutely sure of that.

So if you see a brand-new account tomorrow and the person claims to be NewNameNoah, believe him.

Oh, I believe he was newnamenoah even when he denied it.

[_Maureen]

What are the odds Mike snuck into a temple wedding he was not invited too, and no one asked - who are you?

Exactly. Isn't there limited seating? Do not the bride and groom only invite those that they really want at the sealing?

M.

[_moksha]

If some jerk recorded me and my wife's private moment and posted it online for the world to see id kick his ass. He's such a creeper and probably is a peeping Tom. How are invasions of privacy considered respectable? I would kick NewNameNoahs ass.

Then it would be best to run with Gunnar's first thought that it wasn't a Temple Sealing. Just think of those three dressed in white and the spectators surrounding them as the participants in a frog dissection at a high school biology class. That way the sacredness of the moment is not lost due to being captured on camera.

In either case, it is the spiritual feeling which is sacred, not the ceremony.

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't think those are the same two topics, though. Going back to my first comment, setting aside Norton and the negative reactions he provokes it's still telling that this comes down to the fact an otherwise normal activity at most weddings provokes both that kind of behavior and the debate it has. I chose not to discuss Norton from the beginning for reasons basically being justified while reading the thread.

People get married in the temple believing it to be something sacred, special, and not for general public consumption. It really doesn't matter that other weddings work differently. What matters is the general expectation of the participants in this particular ritual.

Someone has mentioned that Norton had permission or cooperation from the participants in question. That's only half the problem solved.

What about all of those who anticipate their yet-to-come sacred ceremonies? Does everyone need to be on edge during their ceremonies and worry about who might be filming them now? It's an intrusion that doesn't need to happen.

And that still doesn't address the fact that Norton doesn't have a valid TR to begin with.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm NOT saying that the religious folks feel these things are embarrassing.

I'm saying that Mike effing Norton thinks they're embarrassing.
I'm saying that many ex-Mos think they're embarrassing.

And they're trying to get over their discomfort and get it out of their gut (because they felt betrayed, tricked, used) by posting this kind of stuff that has the potential to hurt others in real life ways. And by hurt, I mean physically assaulted, discriminated against because this is the kind of s*** that fires up bias and bigotry.

When what they need is a therapist to deal with their divorce from the church.

spot on!

Let's not forget Porter's self-reported mischief calling the missionary hotline (or whatever it was...talk to a missionary?) and outright damned with young missionaries and getting off on documenting it and mocking them on this board.

You'll forgive me, but exploiting young missionaries and folks participating in what are held to be sacred ceremonies and rituals, doesn't strike me as fully healthy.

All of this yahoolian mischief has the potential to harm people in real life ways.

[_Jersey Girl]

Yes. Jersey Girl is right. The intent is to make Mormons look weird. Hey, they may have unusual rituals, but, you know, that's their effing business. The last thing Mormons need is to have prejudice stirred up against them. There are so many decent people in the LDS Church who believe in these things and feel trampled upon when they are made light of by others. A pox on those who seek to marginalize decent LDS people.

Agree entirely.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl, I'm glad you object. It looks like he did this with the intent of malice.

Of course, I object.

I'm not LDS, never been LDS, never will be LDS. I'm not on anyone's team around here and I'm not going to make nice about something that I think has serious long term and negative social implications.

First, Norton doesn't have a valid TR.
Second, these are ceremonies that are held to be sacred by LDS.

It doesn't matter if he even had permission from the main participants to film it. Did everyone in the room attend with the expectation of privacy? The expectation of reverence?

What matters is that it's a violation. What matters is that it has the potential to put every TBM on high alert who looks forward to their sacred rituals out of fear that someone will violate them with a camera.

What matters even more is the potential to harm LDS in general. What's it gonna take? Missionaries dragged down a dirt road behind a pickup truck? Beaten senseless and left for dead? LDS kids bullied at school?

The issue, in my view, is the unhealthy and irresponsible mentality behind this filming of sacred ceremonies. There are less hostile ways to deal with these types of issues.

If people think the church needs to disclose such things in advance, then petition the church to do so.

If the church ignores your petition, then get the hell out and go on with your life.

Only don't put people in harms way on account of your hostile activity.