Can These Things Really Be Sin?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

After reading and participating on the thread about premarital sex, I got to thinking about some other things that are considered sins by the LDS Church. These are some specific things that I have enjoyed since I became inactive, and do not feel like I am going to hell for indulging in them:

1. I bought a Kuerig 2.0 when I moved into my new house. The coffee is awesome! I bought the San Francisco Bay French Roast and Jamaican Blend coffee, and have my cup in the morning while I'm going through my emails. Since I started doing this, I have cut down on my soda consumption, which has been very good for my health. My coffee consumption is very moderate. I have maybe 2 cups at most in the morning.

2. I love having a glass of red wine (normally Pinot Noir) with dinner. My boyfriend and I would like to take a class on how wines pair with various foods, and how wine enhances the flavor of food. My doctor actually told me to start drinking 1 glass of red wine in the evenings for my heart. I don't drink to get drunk. I rarely have more than 1 glass of wine. Once in a while, I will have 2 glasses. Again, I am very moderate in my consumption.

3. Premarital sex. I am 52 years old. I have had 3 children. I am divorced. My boyfriend who is also divorced is 62. We practice protected, safe sex on a regular basis. We both love each other very much, and have made long term plans to get married and spend the rest of our lives together. He is an amazing man, and has truly been my emotional rock over this past year. He is obviously not just in this relationship for the sex. Believe me, with everything he has helped me through, it would have been much easier for him to have hired a hooker if he had just wanted sex. LOL

I still say my prayers. I still believe in God. I am helping my parents who are disabled, and recently lost most of their savings through a failed business. They are living with me now. I still hold a calling in my ward, even though I am not attending Church regularly. I am the Ward Employment Specialist and have helped quite a few members with their resumes, and with getting a job.

I honestly feel more at peace spiritually than I have felt in a long time.

So...am I being "led astray" by Satan? Or, perhaps, maybe there is more than one real way to God?

[_Some Schmo]

Considering I don't believe in any of the presented god concepts I've heard so far, this business that coffee or sex without an arbitrary marital contract is morally wrong seems outrageous to me. Coffee is awesome. Sex is awesome. Wine... meh. I'm more of an IPA guy, but I don't fault people for loving wine. My wife is one of them.

Enjoy your life. As far as we know, you only get one.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Considering I don't believe in any of the presented god concepts I've heard so far, this business that coffee or sex without an arbitrary marital contract is morally wrong seems outrageous to me. Coffee is awesome. Sex is awesome. Wine... meh. I'm more of an IPA guy, but I don't fault people for loving wine. My wife is one of them.

Enjoy your life. As far as we know, you only get one.

Thanks, Schmo! Last year was a rough year due to the divorce, but this new man in my life has made it all worthwhile. I consider him a real blessing in my life. (And the sex is AMAZING! )

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think the Church has become so bland, boring, and discriminating I'm not sure it's a solid place for spiritual fulfillment. Is there a sense of community still?

- Doc

[_Quasimodo]

Considering I don't believe in any of the presented god concepts I've heard so far, this business that coffee or sex without an arbitrary marital contract is morally wrong seems outrageous to me. Coffee is awesome. Sex is awesome. Wine... meh. I'm more of an IPA guy, but I don't fault people for loving wine. My wife is one of them.

Enjoy your life. As far as we know, you only get one.

I'm sorry my friend Schmo, but your epicurean education has been sadly neglected. Wine and beer are not either/ or things. I've grown very fond of IPA's as well (the US has finally started producing great beers), but it hasn't dulled my taste for the amazing diversity of excellent wines.

Beer with sushi (or pizza) is great. The right wine with any meal is astounding.

[_sock puppet]

Considering I don't believe in any of the presented god concepts I've heard so far, this business that coffee or sex without an arbitrary marital contract is morally wrong seems outrageous to me. Coffee is awesome. Sex is awesome. Wine... meh. I'm more of an IPA guy, but I don't fault people for loving wine. My wife is one of them.

Enjoy your life. As far as we know, you only get one.

I'm sorry my friend Schmo, but your epicurean education has been sadly neglected. Wine and beer are not either/ or things. I've grown very fond of IPA's as well (the US has finally started producing great beers), but it hasn't dulled my taste for the amazing diversity of excellent wines.

Beer with sushi (or pizza) is great. The right wine with any meal is astounding.

I vote beer. Beer is great with anything that's not sweet. When I want grapes--rarely--I eat grapes. I like vinegar too. But what I don't like is the taste of vinegar in grape juice. The best wine I've ever tasted is fruity, wet ripple, which doesn't hold a candle to BEER. Definitely not that dry, vinegary snooty stuff. Sorry, but it is just one of my many pedestrian traits.

[_sock puppet]

3. Premarital sex. I am 52 years old. I have had 3 children. I am divorced. My boyfriend who is also divorced is 62. We practice protected, safe sex on a regular basis. We both love each other very much, and have made long term plans to get married and spend the rest of our lives together. He is an amazing man, and has truly been my emotional rock over this past year. He is obviously not just in this relationship for the sex. Believe me, with everything he has helped me through, it would have been much easier for him to have hired a hooker if he had just wanted sex. LOL

I think that is great, truly. But what would be sinful if the two of you were just “F” buddies, in it just for the sex? If you're not making babies (that might have to grow up outside of a stable home), where's the harm in 'just' sex if that's what both perhaps want?

[_Quasimodo]

I vote beer. Beer is great with anything that's not sweet. When I want grapes--rarely--I eat grapes. I like vinegar too. But what I don't like is the taste of vinegar in grape juice. The best wine I've ever tasted is fruity, wet ripple, which doesn't hold a candle to BEER. Definitely not that dry, vinegary snooty stuff. Sorry, but it is just one of my many pedestrian traits.

If you are tasting vinegar in your wine, something is wrong. You do know not to leave your wine bottles uncorked in the sun for days at a time, right? As for snooty, I do not think of myself as a connoisseur. More along the lines of a wino.

Wine denial seems to be a trait along the Mormon Corridor. I can only guess it comes from tainted taste buds caused by drinking all that sugary Kool-Aid while growing up.

I hope that God, the Holy Spirit and a burning bosom will lead you to the path of righteousness. I will pray to Bacchus that you will someday come into the fold.

[_sock puppet]

I vote beer. Beer is great with anything that's not sweet. When I want grapes--rarely--I eat grapes. I like vinegar too. But what I don't like is the taste of vinegar in grape juice. The best wine I've ever tasted is fruity, wet ripple, which doesn't hold a candle to BEER. Definitely not that dry, vinegary snooty stuff. Sorry, but it is just one of my many pedestrian traits.

If you are tasting vinegar in your wine, something is wrong. You do know not to leave your wine bottles uncorked in the sun for days at a time, right? As for snooty, I do not think of myself as a connoisseur. More along the lines of a wino.

Wine denial seems to be a trait along the Mormon Corridor. I can only guess it comes from tainted taste buds caused by drinking all that sugary Kool-Aid while growing up.

I hope that God, the Holy Spirit and a burning bosom will lead you to the path of righteousness. I will pray to Bacchus that you will someday come into the fold.

When it comes to beer, wine and spirits, I will forever be in the terrestrial kingdom--lager, ale, stout, bourbon and tequila. I leave the wine, brandy, sherry and scotch for those in the celestial kingdom of alcohol consumption.

[_RockSlider]

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French roast ... heavy blends, you were always a girl after my heart.

Oh an in another life your heavy, serious and fatal sin of spanking already has you screwed. So how's that saying go, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die, and instead of finding punishment, we find God laughing at us, but a bit upset about all the wasted time, money and emotion over nothing.